Do you believe in the trinity?

[Gnostic Seeker]

I'll be honest, I really don't. I don't think Jesus has a special sonship as concerns us all beings sons and daughters. I also don't see that he himself ever really taught such an idea. He affirmed the words of the Shema: Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord... etc.

So do you believe in the trinity? On what basis?

 

[Nada]

I do not believe in the Trinity.Jesus made it clear, and so do the holy scriptures,that he is the Son of God.There is only one God and He is the Almighty.There is no three in one.

 

[Quintessence]

I believe that understanding the one-god of the Abrahamic monotheists as a trinity can be a fulfilling and worthwhile way of understanding sacredness/divinity. Does that count?

 

[allfoak]

How do you get a son from a father with no mother?

 

[Nada]

How do you get a son from a father with no mother?

The holy scriptures tells us that God put Jesus in Mary's womb by way of holy spirit.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'll be honest, I really don't. I don't think Jesus has a special sonship as concerns us all beings sons and daughters. I also don't see that he himself ever really taught such an idea. He affirmed the words of the Shema: Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord... etc.

So do you believe in the trinity? On what basis?

Useless symbolism. Three has always been considered a magical number in many religions. so...
by the way...I believe that Jesus is God and that there is no difference between God and man. Because man is not potentially inferior to God.
as for the Holy Ghost...it is like a synonym of God. so...

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

I believe that understanding the one-god of the Abrahamic monotheists as a trinity can be a fulfilling and worthwhile way of understanding sacredness/divinity. Does that count?

Yes, only because I understand different beliefs work for different people.

 

[idav]

Jesus did not explicitly teach the trinity, instead people invented it as an explanation of some of the mystical aspects of what Jesus taught. He said he is god while saying at the same time that we are all gods. He allows us to be on par with him.

John 1
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

 

[allfoak]

Without duality there would be nothing else.
We must make the two into one.

Gospel of Thomas

22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom."
They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Jesus did not explicitly teach the trinity, instead people invented it as an explanation of some of the mystical aspects of what Jesus taught. He said he is god while saying at the same time that we are all gods. He allows us to be on par with him.

Agreed. The concept probably began as an explanation. I think it has obvious inconsistencies though, such as the persons all being the same substance, yet one of them is also human.

 

[Nada]

Jesus did not explicitly teach the trinity, instead people invented it as an explanation of some of the mystical aspects of what Jesus taught. He said he is god while saying at the same time that we are all gods. He allows us to be on par with him.

Jesus never stated he was a god or God.He quoted the OT by saying,"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'? John 10:34

He was quoting, Psalm 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

 

[allfoak]

The holy scriptures tells us that God put Jesus in Mary's womb by way of holy spirit.

Literally speaking of course.

 

[Nada]

Literally speaking of course.

Yes.Literally.

 

[allfoak]

The holy scriptures tells us that God put Jesus in Mary's womb by way of holy spirit.

Maybe you don't understand what i meant.
If there is a Father/God and a Son of God, then where is the Mother of the Son of God?
Mary the human being cannot be Mother/God.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Yes the Thomas passage is about enlightenment, awakening to the oneness in all. Jesus being uniquely God the Son would confound that, seeing as we are to become as he is and put on Christ-mind. That's why I think Jesus was a man awakened to God, as Thomas also says: when you come to know yourselves you will become known, and will understand you are children of the Living Father.

 

[idav]

Jesus never stated he was a god or God.He quoted the OT by saying,"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'? John 10:34

He was quoting, Psalm 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

Yes but by saying ye are all gods he was still kinda agreeing that he was god but not in the context that the pharisees alluded to. He always gave credit to the father.

 

[Nada]

Maybe you don't understand what i meant.
If there is a Father/God and a Son of God, then where is the Mother of the Son of God?
Mary the human being cannot be Mother/God.

The holy scriptures tells us that God is eternal and has always existed.So this means He has no mother.God the Almighty created everything in the universe.God the Almighty put Jesus into Mary's stomach by way of holy spirit.Jesus was a spirit form before he became flesh.God the Almighty placed Jesus into Mary, and he was born a human, but a perfect one.Jesus is not God the Almighty.Jesus is the Son of God.Mary was Jesus mother on earth only.Jesus before he became flesh had no mother.He was created by God the Almighty.

 

[allfoak]

The holy scriptures tells us that God is eternal and has always existed.So this means He has no mother.God the Almighty created everything in the universe.God the Almighty put Jesus into Mary's stomach by way of holy spirit.Jesus was a spirit form before he became flesh.God the Almighty placed Jesus into Mary, and he was born a human, but a perfect one.Jesus is not God the Almighty.Jesus is the Son of God.Mary was Jesus mother on earth only.Jesus before he became flesh had no mother.He was created by God the Almighty.

What does it mean to be made in the image of God?

 

[Nada]

Yes but by saying ye are all gods he was still kinda agreeing that he was god but not in the context that the pharisees alluded to. He always gave credit to the father.

Jesus is a spokesman,a representative,not God the Almighty.Men,who were called
god or Gods,were called this to describe human judges or people in powerful positions.Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh.Moses was Gods spokesman.So was Jesus.Notice Jesus says,36 "what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" So we can see here Jesus is not calling himself God the Almighty or an equal to Him at all.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Agreed. The concept probably began as an explanation. I think it has obvious inconsistencies though, such as the persons all being the same substance, yet one of them is also human.

Not necessarily. Although many don't like to find any similarities between Christianity and Hinduism, one could argue that what Jesus taught is similar (if not exactly the same) as Advaita.