metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
As a side, what brought you to Amsterdam? I've been there twice and loved the place.
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Do You Believe In War?
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As a side, what brought you to Amsterdam? I've been there twice and loved the place.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
By the authority of the Secretary of the Air Force at that time as an official representative of the US government in my chain of command.
roger1440
I do stuff
"The only winning move is not to play."
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A Strange Game. The Only Winning Move is Not to Play. - YouTube
Leftimies
Dwelling in the Principle
War is a means, just like anything else. How it is executed, for what purpose and what kind of effect emerges from it is what defines war either bad or good. War can be waged to restore order, war can be waged to annex land, war can be waged to defend one's homeland, war can be waged to commit genocide.
In this respect, war is no different from a fork. You can use fork to eat food. You can also use it to stick someone in the eye.
In this respect, war is no different from a fork. You can use fork to eat food. You can also use it to stick someone in the eye.
roger1440
I do stuff
dust1n
Zindīq
If free will exists, then every person has an alternative they are capable of taking outside of unwarranted violence, in which case, almost all wars have little to no justification. There has never been much reason applied to it. If free will doesn't exist, which I suspect it doesn't, then beliefs and ethics won't really change the natural course of events, whatever they may turn out to be.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
You are right. Mankind has evolved. We have gone from this
to this
Strangely beautiful that.
I mean the lower pic of course
You are right. Mankind has evolved. We have gone from this
to this
Yeah, warfare has gone from sticks to nukes. Nukes are really pushing the limits, but as technology advances so do weapons. The fact that one country has nukes, it's pretty much a necessity for all that are threatened at all to have nukes. You need to have MORE power than the one threatening you, or at least equal power. Many prefer the former though, making us continue advancement and becoming more and more of a threat every time a new mathematical statement becomes a fact!
I'm against war, but sadly humanity is still too primitive to move beyond the existence of war so sometimes it's necessary.
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roger1440
I do stuff
We certainly have gone a long way.Strangely beautiful that.
I mean the lower pic of course
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Monty Python- Holy Grail Cow-tapult - YouTube
Strangely beautiful that.
I mean the lower pic of course
Nuclear explosions are beautiful. Other destructive things like tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, fires, etc. are also beautiful.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
And if it wasn't for the nuclear explosions that occur in stars we would not even be here.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
War is hardwired. Not all people are the same making war inevitable by the way some people will think and act out on whatever crops up.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
In every animals genes I would say. War seems to be a constant of life (if it's not us it's our immune systems versus bacteria, viruses and at times our own bodies), humans are the only ones who seem to try to rationalize it.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I believe in the pragmatic adaptation to circumstances as they change. I also believe that the natural order of things sometimes results in survival being something that must be fought for. I also believe that being forced to kill another human being can be a traumatic and tragic thing to go through and live with. Basically, as with most things in life, I find what I "believe" about war would amount to less than a fart in the wind when faced with the actual circumstance of war happening.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And to add to that, as I learned the hard way, let me recommend not peeing out a campfire when standing downwind.
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
I hear people declare that they could never take another human life, under any circumstances. I sometimes ask what they will do when the rapist kicks in their front door as their daughter sleeps in a back room.
Them: Oh, I will bind the attacker's hands and call the authorities.
Me: Sorry, but there is no rope. You are in the middle of moving your household. The only items in your house are your daughter, her bed, and a handgun.
Them: Well, I will reason with the attacker.
Me: But the rapist is deaf. He's also high on PCP.
Them: Then I will try to knock him out with a blow to the head. That would be morally proper, I think.
Me: You're tried that already. He pushed you down and you broke your leg. You can't get up. There's nothing between him and your sleeping daughter except that handgun in your pocket. Do you use it or not?
Them: Oh, that could never happen! You are making up ridiculous, impossible stuff just to make me....!!!
Me, I'd just shoot the guy. Especially if it would make me shut up with all the damned hypotheticals.