sandy whitelinger
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Are you suggesting they don't?
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Do you believe Moses parted the Red Sea?
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Unveiled Artist
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Christ (no insult intended) lived over 2,000 years ago. We only have written records of his miracle just as Jonah and Moses. All are no different (in context not importance). He should not have been the last miracle as if people today should only need faith while the disciples didnt take for granted jesus actual miracles but it nutured their faith in him.
Seeing miracles doesnt mean one doesnt have faith. I have faith my ancestors exist And I have paper work to proove it. I know because I am here and because of my family oral history. I trust/have faith because of the "physical" and spiritual interactions with my family and knowledge I learned from books and nowadays internet.
Likewise with miracles 2000 years ago. They nurtured a believers walk.
Why would christians think we only need faith when "only" 2000 jesus followers has it all? The whole shabang.
I know my ancestors exist from all my senses. I dont depend on just one.
The real question is: Do we really believe the egyptians were so stupid to follow the Jews once their God allegedely managed to part waters to let them through?
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sandy whitelinger
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I believe that after so many miracles and yet still so much unbelief, that God just threw His hands up in exasperation and said, "Fine, have it your way."
Concerning faith, I see two kinds. In one, I faith faith that the sun will come up tomorrow because it always has. Then I see a child-like faith where I trust God will take care of my problems just like a child believes the parents will take care of their problems.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
What do you mean?
Just what I said. Why are you convinced that the event happened at all, regardless of who it's attributed to?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Much the same as any historical event, it's recorded in the Tanakh and our Oral history.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
G-d selected Moses. He was our leader at that time.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Remember, in the Biblical account, pharaoh had a lot of problems because he did not heed warnings. There are the statements that God hardened pharaoh's heart.
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Moses was needed as god selected him. God parted the red sea but why take out Moses in that answer?
Im a part or my mother. Although her actions are separate than mind, through her, I live and so far on back. So cant separate my actions from my mothers.
Likewise, Id assume the same for Moses. I dont believe Moses (therefore god) parted the red sea. I do believe believers take the bible literally. Yet, in the NT (case in point; I know it isnt your faith) Jesus always said he did things by faith his his father. They were inseperable. Likewise Moses.
So I think its a valid question, did Moses part the red sea. Moses did because of god. But that depends on what one believes.
My point: just saying Moses did part the red sea according to scripture since god is the source and Moses did the action.
Why would this imply that it actually happened?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Does it really make a difference whether the narrative was real history or is more allegorical? Does it really make a difference if Moses actually existed or not? or Jesus? or the Buddha? What can make a difference is if we feel that some of the morals and values that are taught can be useful to us, to our society, and/or to our world.
Yesterday has passed, today we live and hopefully tomorrow as well.
Yesterday has passed, today we live and hopefully tomorrow as well.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
That is clever of you to say that because I also wondered how they could be so stupid as to pursue Israel after all those plagues or not let them go after the first few.
My faith in the Bible is very much wavering lately. The power of Prayer I am convinced of , as well as medically documented Miracles, where prayer has accomplished what is scientifically and medically unexplainable (apparently impossible) but I'm the first to confess to God and others that much of the Bible to me seems too ridiculous to take seriously.
Need we ask after 10 plagues didn't do the trick.
Some people are just stubborn as.....Pharaoh viewed himself as a god so he wasn't going to allow Israel's God to make him look bad and take his slaves away.....who would make his mud bricks?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I'll rephrase the question. Did God part the red sea for the ancient Israelites to part?
Yes Moses did nothing.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Yes but still, who would be so loyal to fearlessly and recklessly obey Pharoah after repeatedly He was proven to be an unreliable, pitiful, and a worthless "God".Need we ask after 10 plagues didn't do the trick.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Moses and god acted together. If Moses did nothing, then god wouldnt have needed him. He could have done it himself; and, he didnt
roger1440
I do stuff
Napoleon preformed the same trick. All he had to do was to wait for low tide.
“I nearly perished in the same manner as Pharaoh did. This would certainly have furnished all the Christian preachers with a magnificent test against me.” Napoleon
http://sccompton.com/ancient-egyptian-border-defenses-and-the-exodus/
“I nearly perished in the same manner as Pharaoh did. This would certainly have furnished all the Christian preachers with a magnificent test against me.” Napoleon
http://sccompton.com/ancient-egyptian-border-defenses-and-the-exodus/
According to the story, the reason Pharaoh wouldn't let the Israelites go was that God had hardened his heart. He was only stubborn because God made him stubborn.Need we ask after 10 plagues didn't do the trick.