In today's modern thinking, it might suggest that Jesus committed suicide. Here's the evidence, Jesus knew well in advance that he will die. He had the option to refuse this act in my term that is killing yourself. Whatever the end was in this case they say human salvation according to the bible, that does not justify the means. People might call it self sacrifice but it definitely is a form of suicide. I am starting a new thread so here you go.
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Do you consider Jesus' death a form of suicide?
- Thread starter ProfLogic
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standing_alone
Well-Known Member
I have no opinion on this, but I've discussed this with a friend of mine that is a follower of Islam. She said something like that knowing that you are going to die and it can be prevented by resisting, but not resisting is suicide. She obviously went more deeper into this, but she made many good points. I wish I could remember them. I can definately see where it could be considered a suicidal action, though I can't claim that such an action was - of course, I don't believe in Jesus anyways, so... 
standing_on_one_foot
Well-Known Member
No...there's a difference between suicide and self-sacrifice, I think. Suicide is killing yourself or allowing yourself to die because you want to die, whereas self-sacrifice is doing the same for the sake of others. As far as I can tell, Jesus didn't actually want to die for the sake of being dead.
But here's an example: if you take a bullet for someone, I wouldn't call that a suicide, even though you could have prevented your own death.
But here's an example: if you take a bullet for someone, I wouldn't call that a suicide, even though you could have prevented your own death.
standing_on_one_foot
Well-Known Member
Well, I don't believe any of it in the first place, so no.ProfLogic said:
But if I'm working from the assumption that Jesus did die in the name of this salvation business (which seemed to be the premise of the debate), then I don't think it's a suicide. It's all rather more complicated and confusing and symbolic than that.
dawny0826 said:
Does this mean the father god had deceived jesus, since jesus only wept that night he was about to be arrested, saying thy will be done.... Was jesus kept in the dark, otherwise he would have wept like an infant through out his life and it would have been well documented since as people say the bible is inspired by god.
I am pretty sure saying "thy will be done" means he accepts his death, so I say it was suicide. Otherwise I would have added "but I do not want to die "Self sacrifice I would have thought to make people turn against evil or what they say out of the norm of their new religion. It took the emperor constantine to elevate Christianity, was that in the 3rd century, which to me mean there was no self sacrifice at the very moment of jesus' death.. Nice thought though....
Comet
Harvey Wallbanger
(not a Jesus follower or believer) BUT:
If God is all knowing and Jesus was God, then he already knew what the plan was and wouldn't defy himself what it is he set himself out to do. Plus, he would have already known he wasn't killing himself as he was going to be resurrected. To not do what you knew God wished for you to do would be sacriligious to his own cause.
Branching off another analogy used: If I knew I was going to die from a bullet wound tomorrow, would I just try to hide in my house? NO- perhaps that is what caused me to be shot..... a robber comes in when I am usually at work. You never really know, so by that standard: if Jesus was not God but had 100% faith in God, then he would have willingly gone out of his house to be shot- regardless of where the bullet came from or the scenario in which he'd be shot, whether taking the bullet for somebody else or not.
If God is all knowing and Jesus was God, then he already knew what the plan was and wouldn't defy himself what it is he set himself out to do. Plus, he would have already known he wasn't killing himself as he was going to be resurrected. To not do what you knew God wished for you to do would be sacriligious to his own cause.
Branching off another analogy used: If I knew I was going to die from a bullet wound tomorrow, would I just try to hide in my house? NO- perhaps that is what caused me to be shot..... a robber comes in when I am usually at work. You never really know, so by that standard: if Jesus was not God but had 100% faith in God, then he would have willingly gone out of his house to be shot- regardless of where the bullet came from or the scenario in which he'd be shot, whether taking the bullet for somebody else or not.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
No.
This means that Christ fulfilled HIS PURPOSE.
Though divine, He was also very much human and in addition to weeping while in the Garden...I'm sure He wept while He endured the pain and burdens of the world.
Why would this matter...either way?
There would be no Christianity without Christ.
Christ spilled blood to save the world...if you view this as suicide...whatever
.Believers have no issues understanding and appreciating the depth and meaning in Christ's sacrifice.
Mystic-als
Active Member
Who deceided that suicide is a bad thing. If I kill myself will I get convicted of murder? That sounds stupid.
Did Jesus commit suicide. YES. But thats not a bad thing like the stigma attached to it says.
Did Jesus commit suicide. YES. But thats not a bad thing like the stigma attached to it says.
