Do you consider Jesus' death a form of suicide?

[ProfLogic]

Jesus was murdered!!! His human form was murdered by power hungry men. He was the ultimate example of non violence. He only loved . He only cared. He only obeyed. I am reminded of the unconditional love I have witnessed in my lifetime. I am reminded of the converse as well. How would we ever be able to distinguish good if we did not know the contrary? He is the ultimate example of Good. He is the ultimate example of Love. He is the ultimate example of Forgiveness. He is real and living in all the good deeds of this day. He is Jesus Christ. I promise to never forget The Passion Of Christ ! Be Well and God Bless...

How can it be murder if he was sent to the middle east to die. Die for humanity, no way. He had his own agenda. Its a pre-meditated action... sounds like suicide to me. Before the teachings of jesus, people were enjoying themselves as they are. The term evil always comes up when another person do not agree with their own view. Jesus is that you?...

 

[SunMessenger]

How can it be murder if he was sent to the middle east to die. Die for humanity, no way. He had his own agenda. Its a pre-meditated action... sounds like suicide to me. Before the teachings of jesus, people were enjoying themselves as they are. The term evil always comes up when another person do not agree with their own view. Jesus is that you?...

The last sentence of this quote I do not understand so I can not comment on it. Was this Gods will that this occured ? Would it have been necessary at all if everyone lived then as we know good people are suppose to ? Was this an example of where free will brought men of the time? Is it an example of where we today are being brought? I believe it was Gods will because He loves us enough to give His Only Begotton Son to suffer for our sins. Jesus would have been made aware of His destiny at a time chosen by God. It would not have been a necessary event had man not strayed so far from God. It was man that crucified Jesus. It was God who allowed this for the salvation of man and the absolution of our sins. When Jesus comes again perhaps we will be able to ask this same question. It is because of where free will can lead us that I promise to never forget The Passion of Christ ! Be Well and God Bless...

 

[ProfLogic]

The last sentence of this quote I do not understand so I can not comment on it. Was this Gods will that this occured ? Would it have been necessary at all if everyone lived then as we know good people are suppose to ? Was this an example of where free will brought men of the time? Is it an example of where we today are being brought? I believe it was Gods will because He loves us enough to give His Only Begotton Son to suffer for our sins. Jesus would have been made aware of His destiny at a time chosen by God. It would not have been a necessary event had man not strayed so far from God. It was man that crucified Jesus. It was God who allowed this for the salvation of man and the absolution of our sins. When Jesus comes again perhaps we will be able to ask this same question. It is because of where free will can lead us that I promise to never forget The Passion of Christ ! Be Well and God Bless...

If it loves us so much then just automatically save everyone.. None of these you have to do this to enjoy its kindgom. Battle with its own child satan, just get it over with and let humanity live the way we want. I definitely do not need anything to tell me how to live my own life. Sin before being born wow what a concept. a human that had not done antything in his/her life automatically sinned... Bravo to the writers to put on the guilt at the very first time that an innocence if aware. "You have sinned" so you need to follow these rules to erase something that you had not done yet but your parents did so you are guilty. If jesus existed, then he thought that killing himself would make people believe. In my book killing your self is the cowardice way to make things change... so its still suicide in my book.... In 2000 years that book might be the new bible... lol

 

[ProfLogic]

The last sentence of this quote I do not understand so I can not comment on it. ...

I was asking if you have the jesus/god complex. I have met people with it and they think they are christ, so I was just asking? By the way if someone walks up to you and say he is christ, what would you do?

 

[SunMessenger]

If it loves us so much then just automatically save everyone.. None of these you have to do this to enjoy its kindgom. Battle with its own child satan, just get it over with and let humanity live the way we want. I definitely do not need anything to tell me how to live my own life. Sin before being born wow what a concept. a human that had not done antything in his/her life automatically sinned... Bravo to the writers to put on the guilt at the very first time that an innocence if aware. "You have sinned" so you need to follow these rules to erase something that you had not done yet but your parents did so you are guilty. If jesus existed, then he thought that killing himself would make people believe. In my book killing your self is the cowardice way to make things change... so its still suicide in my book.... In 2000 years that book might be the new bible... lol

This quote is the reason I must repeat this statement...It is because of where free will can lead us that I promise to never forget The Passion of Christ ! Be Well and God Bless...

 

[SunMessenger]

I was asking if you have the jesus/god complex. I have met people with it and they think they are christ, so I was just asking? By the way if someone walks up to you and say he is christ, what would you do?

I have dealt with many in my former profession who claimed to be Jesus Christ. I said hello and who is your Doctor and would you like me to call him. When Jesus comes again words and introductions will not be necessary. The Holy Spirit will make that so. In final response to your question I do not think I have a Jesus complex but I can say that I do indeed love Him. Be Well and God Bless...

 

[Smoke]

Aww, come on Bill. That's not fair. You know I'm a Christian and I love you!

Lots of Christians are wonderful people, but I don't believe it's because they're Christians. Are Christians -- on average -- kinder, more compassionate, more loving, than Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, Taoists, or Atheists? Definitely not.

 

[Buttercup]

Lots of Christians are wonderful people, but I don't believe it's because they're Christians. Are Christians -- on average -- kinder, more compassionate, more loving, than Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, Taoists, or Atheists? Definitely not.

No, I wasn't saying that Christians are relationally any better than anyone. But, you remarked that you've had had enough of Christian love. And I wanted to point out that Christian love can be a very good and real thing with no hidden agenda such as in my esteem for you. In fact, if there's one notion taught most readily through the Christian faith, I would say it is agape love. It's a teaching that keeps me grounded in Christianity and what I love the most about it. Love for one another. It permeates the teachings of Christ to me.

Anyway.....back to topic!

 

[sandy whitelinger]

In today's modern thinking, it might suggest that Jesus committed suicide. Here's the evidence, Jesus knew well in advance that he will die. He had the option to refuse this act in my term that is killing yourself. Whatever the end was in this case they say human salvation according to the bible, that does not justify the means. People might call it self sacrifice but it definitely is a form of suicide. I am starting a new thread so here you go.

I see it it as what we might call today Suicide by cops. Jesus could have prevented His crucifiction. for example He could have kept quite at the trial before the Sanhedrin. They couldn't even get two witnesses to lie in agreement so Jesus had to condemn Himself.

Did Jesus kill himself. Not litterally. Did He make sure that He made his appointment on the cross. Most Assuredly.

 

[logician]

Since much of the world never heard of Christ, nor would want to, seems like the supposed Christ was wasting his time.

 

[sojourner]

If it loves us so much then just automatically save everyone.. None of these you have to do this to enjoy its kindgom. Battle with its own child satan, just get it over with and let humanity live the way we want. I definitely do not need anything to tell me how to live my own life. Sin before being born wow what a concept. a human that had not done antything in his/her life automatically sinned... Bravo to the writers to put on the guilt at the very first time that an innocence if aware. "You have sinned" so you need to follow these rules to erase something that you had not done yet but your parents did so you are guilty. If jesus existed, then he thought that killing himself would make people believe. In my book killing your self is the cowardice way to make things change... so its still suicide in my book.... In 2000 years that book might be the new bible... lol

God did automatically save everyone through faith.

But, if God created the world, as well as us, then this is God's world, not ours, and our lives belong to God...not to ourselves. To think otherwise is to separate oneself from God and, thus, to engage in sin. How many 16-year-olds have I heard say this same thing..."Why don't you just leave me alone and let me live my own life!" How little they (and we) understand what life is really all about.

 

[SunMessenger]

Since much of the world never heard of Christ, nor would want to, seems like the supposed Christ was wasting his time.

Is that sort of like waisting time preaching to Christians that Christ did not exist ? Just asking ... Be Well and God Bless...

 

[sojourner]

Lots of Christians are wonderful people, but I don't believe it's because they're Christians. Are Christians -- on average -- kinder, more compassionate, more loving, than Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, Taoists, or Atheists? Definitely not.

Jesus never told us that we would be better than anyone else because we followed him. But he did want us to be known by how we love each other. Sad to say, we sometimes suck at doing that.

 

[ProfLogic]

Is that sort of like waisting time preaching to Christians that Christ did not exist ? Just asking ...:slap: Be Well and God Bless... :kissbette

No because teaching another point of view to something that a person that thinks is wrong, might make others think and question their beliefs. At least its not as forceful as what the bible preaches. Follow me or you will be punished. Hmmm sounds like an arrogant human to me. As they say "its always right".

 

[ProfLogic]

God did automatically save everyone through faith.

But, if God created the world, as well as us, then this is God's world, not ours, and our lives belong to God...not to ourselves. To think otherwise is to separate oneself from God and, thus, to engage in sin. How many 16-year-olds have I heard say this same thing..."Why don't you just leave me alone and let me live my own life!" How little they (and we) understand what life is really all about.

So in the story of noahs ark, did you say god saved the innocent infants because of their faith. Hmmmm I san recollect if I even knew religion when I was a fetus? Can you defend your statement?

 

[sojourner]

So in the story of noahs ark, did you say god saved the innocent infants because of their faith. Hmmmm I san recollect if I even knew religion when I was a fetus? Can you defend your statement?

What a sophomoric statement. You really need to understand the theology that drove the story, as well as the cultural mind set of the writer (and the audience) before engaging in literary criticism of this sort.

 

[Idontknow]

Mmm ok suposing jesus existed, he may be "god" but he was a human as well, he cried because his human nature called him to, human nature is set so survival so of course he did not wanted to die even when he knew he would by how the things were (any person at that time would knew he would die for what he would been preaching if he would get arrested you dont need to be a GOD to know you would die), it could be compared to killing 20 people in Texas, if you get arrested you know you will be set to die in the electric chair! So lets see Jesus from the human point of view, he didnt run or avoided what would be his fate, he overruned his human nature ( like many other people in history has done) and showed some real values and responsability for his way of thinking, he took the responsabilities of his actions, so yes he commited suicide, because he truly suicided by doing this, ( lets keep out the fairy tales away like that he brought salvation with mystical powers to all of us) he proved his points and stood really high above the other humans, few are brave enough to do this, but still it can be done by any human, i like to see it more like he set an example to the humans to come, more than he by suiciding, not like he saved the whole humanity by diying and had some mystical arrange with "GOD", nooo he just set an example that has lead people all over the ages to do good things and to change their ways to good human basic moral, but still it has driven people to do bad human moral stuff too, like the inquisition, but at the end the good he did was more than the bad...

 

[sojourner]

Mmm ok suposing jesus existed, he may be "god" but he was a human as well, he cried because his human nature called him to, human nature is set so survival so of course he did not wanted to die even when he knew he would by how the things were (any person at that time would knew he would die for what he would been preaching if he would get arrested you dont need to be a GOD to know you would die), it could be compared to killing 20 people in Texas, if you get arrested you know you will be set to die in the electric chair! So lets see Jesus from the human point of view, he didnt run or avoided what would be his fate, he overruned his human nature ( like many other people in history has done) and showed some real values and responsability for his way of thinking, he took the responsabilities of his actions, so yes he commited suicide, because he truly suicided by doing this, ( lets keep out the fairy tales away like that he brought salvation with mystical powers to all of us) he proved his points and stood really high above the other humans, few are brave enough to do this, but still it can be done by any human, i like to see it more like he set an example to the humans to come, more than he by suiciding, not like he saved the whole humanity by diying and had some mystical arrange with "GOD", nooo he just set an example that has lead people all over the ages to do good things and to change their ways to good human basic moral, but still it has driven people to do bad human moral stuff too, like the inquisition, but at the end the good he did was more than the bad...

If that's the stance you're taking, then it would be a martyrdom, not a suicide.
Martyrs sacrifice themselves for a cause. Suicide victims are...victims -- of their own depsair.

 

[Idontknow]

Ok sojourner but take it to the bottom of the human mind, why a suicider suicides?, dispair? and what he wanted instead of dispair? an exit? for what? to feel good, to stop feeling dispair to not feel anything at all, the suicider ultimately takes the choice of killing himself, his choosing may be influenced by a million things and emotions, but after all hes chooses to die; Martyr or self sacrifice goes the same path, leave brave and mora values and good or wrong, lets cut down to the simpliest why do martyrs die for? for their beeliefs or whatever good reason you can think of, in any case martyrs and self sacrifice people seek for feeling good, or more unconsiously to just not feel bad, if a martyr dies for his beeliefs he did so so he wouldnt feel bad after being prived of his ideals, in the example of a person jumping infront of a bullet to save someone it could be many cases but the main root to this action is feeling good or not feeling bad, so these people take the choice of diying, maybe the concsiousnes level is different and the reasons and factors of why they were driven to that choice are wrong or good according to moral standard, but at the end, a 14 year old kid which shoots himself seeked the same thing as any given saint that was killed for his beliefs, not feeling bad.

 

[ProfLogic]

What a sophomoric statement. You really need to understand the theology that drove the story, as well as the cultural mind set of the writer (and the audience) before engaging in literary criticism of this sort.

Typypical response....Just answer the question, did you have faith when you where a fetus.. I certainly did not since I was not aware......You said every one was saved by their faith.. I never had it until someone told me to believe....Now prove your statement instead of making vague remarks otherwise you only know what you read not what you experience.