Do you consider Jesus' death a form of suicide?

[Smoke]

I don't believe that Jesus died for the sins of the world, or anything like that. I don't see him as a willing sacrifice.

I see his death as evidence that he meant what he said about non-violence.

 

[Bishka]

Personally, I think it's a silly idea that Jesus Christ comitted suicide.

In my belief of it all, Jesus Christ knew all of this WAY before ( and when I speak of way before, I mean the pre-existence, heaven before we were born ). He voulunteered to die for us all (believers and non-believers alike) so that we could if we choose to return to our Father in Heaven. This is an amazing sacrifice to me, amazing that someone would do it for me.

In no way would I consider it suicide.

 

[logician]

The notion of a blood sacrifice is barbaric and was a fable taken from pre-existant religious tradition to Christianity. The whole thing makes a nice bloody fairytale, if one cares to read it.

 

[jewscout]

The notion of a blood sacrifice is barbaric and was a fable taken from pre-existant religious tradition to Christianity. The whole thing makes a nice bloody fairytale, if one cares to read it.

again, i think what's important in the figure of Jesus is the meaning Christians take from his teachings and in his death

 

[logician]

" i think what's important in the figure of Jesus is the meaning Christians take from his teachings and in his death"


What, that you can do anything you want, and some priest saying some mumbo-jumbo will make it all better, so you can strum a harp in a make-believe afterlife?

Absurdity, thy name is Christianity.

 

[jewscout]

" i think what's important in the figure of Jesus is the meaning Christians take from his teachings and in his death"


What, that you can do anything you want, and some priest saying some mumbo-jumbo will make it all better, so you can strum a harp in a make-believe afterlife?

Absurdity, thy name is Christianity.

or loving your neighbor and your G-d? or showing compassion to someone even when they don't deserve it??

Absurdity, thy name is closeminded cynicism

 

[Smoke]

or loving your neighbor and your G-d? or showing compassion to someone even when they don't deserve it??

It's nice of you to be charitable toward other religions, but I haven't seen much evidence that Christianity conduces to loving anyone outside of one's own sect, tribe, or clique.

 

[jewscout]

It's nice of you to be charitable toward other religions, but I haven't seen much evidence that Christianity conduces to loving anyone outside of one's own sect, tribe, or clique.

then you haven't looked enough...
i know many devout christians who are very caring people and do not try to force feed their faith upon me:yes:

 

[michel]

It's nice of you to be charitable toward other religions, but I haven't seen much evidence that Christianity conduces to loving anyone outside of one's own sect, tribe, or clique.

"Christianity" is a pretty broad paintbrush. I think there are plenty of Christians here who 'walk the walk'. Saying that "all Christians are......." is one of those sad generalisations which do no one any favour.

I was interested to see the various arguments for the difference between suicide and self - sacrifice, because I have attempted suicide, and I can assure you it was for the sake of others as much as it was for mine. And yet my attempts were labelled 'suicide attempts'. Maybe from now on, I can refer to them as 'self-sacrifice attempts'.

 

[Smoke]

then you haven't looked enough...

As a gay man in the Bible Belt, I've had about all the Christian "love" I can take, thank you.

 

[SunMessenger]

In today's modern thinking, it might suggest that Jesus committed suicide. Here's the evidence, Jesus knew well in advance that he will die. He had the option to refuse this act in my term that is killing yourself. Whatever the end was in this case they say human salvation according to the bible, that does not justify the means. People might call it self sacrifice but it definitely is a form of suicide. I am starting a new thread so here you go.

Jesus was murdered!!! His human form was murdered by power hungry men. He was the ultimate example of non violence. He only loved . He only cared. He only obeyed. I am reminded of the unconditional love I have witnessed in my lifetime. I am reminded of the converse as well. How would we ever be able to distinguish good if we did not know the contrary? He is the ultimate example of Good. He is the ultimate example of Love. He is the ultimate example of Forgiveness. He is real and living in all the good deeds of this day. He is Jesus Christ. I promise to never forget The Passion Of Christ ! Be Well and God Bless...

 

[logician]

Bush claims to be a Chrisitian and is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and many more injured. Is this Christianity in action?

 

[jewscout]

Bush claims to be a Chrisitian and is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and many more injured. Is this Christianity in action?

Stalinist russia was officially atheists and he is responsible for tens of millions of deaths.
is this Atheisim in action?

 

[jewscout]

As a gay man in the Bible Belt, I've had about all the Christian "love" I can take, thank you.

not unlike living in the Captial of the Confederacy and being seriously asked if i still sacfrice animals to atone for my sins

 

[Buttercup]

As a gay man in the Bible Belt, I've had about all the Christian "love" I can take, thank you.

Aww, come on Bill. That's not fair. You know I'm a Christian and I love you!

As far as Christ commiting suicide.....if you read the NT all the way through and in context, it's very obvious that his death was meant as a sacrifice for sin and was pre ordained.

 

[logician]

Stalin's actions were politically motivated, not because he was atheistic. More of a case could be made that Hitller's extermination of the Jews was religiously motivated, especially amongst his followers in the Nazi party.

 

[jewscout]

Stalin's actions were politically motivated, not because he was atheistic. More of a case could be made that Hitller's extermination of the Jews was religiously motivated, especially amongst his followers in the Nazi party.

ooooor motivated by a belief in Social Darwinism, that certain "races" were superior to others, which was the en vouge thinking of the academics of the day all over the world, not just of some nuts in Berlin.

so you don't think that the war in Iraq is politically motivated? that it is exclusively a result of Bush's religious identity??:sarcastic

 

[SunMessenger]

Stalin's actions were politically motivated, not because he was atheistic. More of a case could be made that Hitller's extermination of the Jews was religiously motivated, especially amongst his followers in the Nazi party.

You seem to have answered your own question about Bush. Interesting turn of events ... Be Well and God Bless...

 

[logician]

One of Hitler's heroes was Martin Luther, a strong anti-semite, religious persecution was definitely a factor in WWII.

 

[SunMessenger]

One of Hitler's heroes was Martin Luther, a strong anti-semite, religious persecution was definitely a factor in WWII.

I see no point being made here. What does this statement mean? If true that Hitler had a hero, other than himself ofcourse, what does this mean?