ravenstrike
Court Jester
Ok.
Hope does no good.
Hope didn't do anything, protesting did.
Hope was just one more thing to get crushed if the British didn't leave, or if the Blacks didn't get equal rights.
It didn't help matters.
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Do You Hate God?
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Ok.
Hope does no good.
Hope didn't do anything, protesting did.
Hope was just one more thing to get crushed if the British didn't leave, or if the Blacks didn't get equal rights.
It didn't help matters.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Why did they protest? Hope. If they didn't have faith that the situation could change, or hope, then they wouldn' t have protested, and nothing would have gotten done.
ravenstrike
Court Jester
Really?
Then something was wrong with them.
Because if something is right, you should defend it to your last breath, hope or not.
Then something was wrong with them.
Because if something is right, you should defend it to your last breath, hope or not.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Really? So someone who doesn't do something to change a problem because it can't be changed is wrong? If I know that a certain problem isn't going to be changed no matter what I do, without a doubt, then I'd be perfectly right to do nothing about it. Now, if there was some glimmer of hope that it could change, and I still did nothing, then I'd be wrong. The difference is that there's hope in one, none in the other. People need a reason to do something. In the absence of a reasonable chance of it occurring, there is only hope.
ravenstrike
Court Jester
Nothing is unchangeable.
Are you telling me that if there were human sacrifices going on in a (for the sake of the argument, please don't peg me for this) remote section of the Amazon, and it had been calculated to have a 0 percent chance of changing it, you would (assuming you were deficit hope) simply tolerate such evil?
I wouldn't. Screw the 0% chance,go in there and kick some butt!!
Are you telling me that if there were human sacrifices going on in a (for the sake of the argument, please don't peg me for this) remote section of the Amazon, and it had been calculated to have a 0 percent chance of changing it, you would (assuming you were deficit hope) simply tolerate such evil?
I wouldn't. Screw the 0% chance,go in there and kick some butt!!
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
You're only saying that because, whether or not you want to admit it, you have hope. Why do you think there's a chance you can change that? Hope. People who were civil rights activists thought there was a chance they could change things, and people who weren't activists didn't think they could. Why the difference? Hope. The activists had hope that it could be changed. The others didn't.
ravenstrike
Court Jester
There's plenty of things I've abandoned all hope of, but I don't curl up and die. Life is all we have, nothing can be more important than the defense of life. So hope or not, keep on trucking.
If you think I have hope, well, your call
I would disagree (and I would know if I had hope or not!) with your estimation.
If you think I have hope, well, your call
I would disagree (and I would know if I had hope or not!) with your estimation.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Apparently you can't see that you have hope.
"the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best:"
That's the first definition on Dictionary.com. You feel that a decent life can still be had, so you keep going. To curl up and die, you 'd have to think that there was absolutely nothing worth living for. Most people who get to that point, don't do it because they still feel that there is some good thing to live for. Why? Hope, they have no other reason to think so.
"the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best:"
That's the first definition on Dictionary.com. You feel that a decent life can still be had, so you keep going. To curl up and die, you 'd have to think that there was absolutely nothing worth living for. Most people who get to that point, don't do it because they still feel that there is some good thing to live for. Why? Hope, they have no other reason to think so.
ravenstrike
Court Jester
I'm sorry, but my msn personal message is "screw it, it would be easier to curl up and die."
thought that was funny
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
:sleep:steve293000
Member
I do have a rebelliousness against him, which I guess could be described as hatred. I want to run my own life, create my own world, and he gets in the way of that.
steve293000
Member
This is something a person who has not met God would come up with. It's an intellectual answer to a spiritual question.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
If god was real then he is without a doubt worthy of our hatred and of our revolt against it. If god is what so many religions profess to be: a personal and omnimax being then this being is anything but good.
steve293000
Member
But that is totally from humans. Do you think things would be any better without religion? That is the question.
steve293000
Member
Well, God is real, and many do revolt against him. The question is, is man good? I don't see how you can say he is.
Do you actually think religion, on the whole, improves things? If so, on what basis have you formed such an opinion?
steve293000
Member
Only if the claimer is trying to win an argument, which he is not in the case of a Christian (or at least the wise Christian). An argument is waged in order to prove something, which wise Christians are not trying to do. And that is because the faith route demanded by God excludes that possibility that one person can prove God exists to another, so arguing for such result is both foolhardy and futile. God has to allow someone to realize he exists, he holds total control of that, and demands that people SEEK him in order to see evidence of himself. We Christians only hope to try to get people to start down that path.
steve293000
Member
To you.
not to me
or anyone else.
so..
that's no argument.
if you can't argue a faith, it's best you don't have one.
the Vedas is no more valid than the Torah, or the Koran, or the Infancy gospel of Thomas (which describes Jesus at age 6 using his powers to slaughter a group of schoolchildren because they mock him)(ICKY!). so get over yourself, stop saying one sentence replys that don't get us anywhere, and moreover are in no way amusing. seriously.
I've argued with intellectuals and atheists as to the validity of the Christian God, and now see it as a mistake. What it does is lower you to their level, and force you to play on their court. What I was doing was trying to beat them at their own game, and it won't work, for you have no help from God in that undertaking. It's basically was a way to bolster my ego and impress the world, which God hates. The best I can do in this forum is to relate to my brothers and sisters in Christ, that is the only real accomplishment. Trying to convince an atheist of the existence of God is not only futile, for everyone must come to God themselves with open hands or it is impossible to see anything from God, but also self aggrandizing and egocentric which God hates.
steve293000
Member
It's a trap many Christians fall in to. But it does let a Christian congregate with other Christians and share our love of God and the wisdom he has gracefully given us with each other. But yeah, it's basically an ego trap (and trip!) as far as getting into arguments with atheists to try to prove God's existence. The Bible does call us to give answers to people's questions, but it also says that if they really aren't interested in the answers, but merely want to argue and not hear our truth, to move on.