Do you hate people?

[Two-bit guru]

Ism-ball!

Enough ists with enough isms and there could be one heck of a battle looming.

 

[DreadFish]

Enough ists with enough isms and there could be one heck of a battle looming.

Somehow i'm imagining some sort of ambiguous religion called "Istism." Maybe its the beliefs in beliefs



Random though, found it funny, had to express it.



Continue on with your evening.

 

[Two-bit guru]

Somehow i'm imagining some sort of ambiguous religion called "Istism." Maybe its the beliefs in beliefs

Random though, found it funny, had to express it.

Continue on with your evening.

I like wacky thoughts, so much better than solemn ones.
If there was a belief in beliefs known as istism there would likely be folks who didn't believe in beliefs who would either be anti-istismists, or possibly a-istismists.

 

[DreadFish]

I like wacky thoughts, so much better than solemn ones.
If there was a belief in beliefs known as istism there would likely be folks who didn't believe in beliefs who would either be anti-istismists, or possibly a-istismists.

Or maybe it is the religion (ism) for those who believe in something (ists)

Lol, anti-istismists would be prejudice towards Istists because they themselves are a-istismists

 

[idav]

Enough ists with enough isms and there could be one heck of a battle looming.

There is a very big difference. What ists try to do is educate while isms attempt to brainwash. Sure brainwashing might be a great way to learn something but don't make it right.

 

[Desert Snake]

Uh...no

 

[Nerthus]

I believe that everyone is born good. I do not see myself as better than anyone else, I cannot hate anyone when I do not know them.

I would not say that I love everyone - I save love for people close to me, but I definitely do not hate people. It is sad that people would.

When it comes to mass murderer and people like that, I don't really know how I feel about them. I have worked with people who have killed, and I did not find that I hated them.

 

[DreadFish]

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:11-12).

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42).

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:49-50).

And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 22:12-13).

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 24:50-51).

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:29-30).

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out (Luke 13:27-28).

I know this is a reply to Christine, but I really cant tell the relevance of any of those quotes to what she said. All I can gather is that there will be weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth...

EDIT: I mean, sure they are quotes from Jesus, but whats the relevance? They are out of context, and some of them aren't commands, rather, comments...

 

[ChristineES]

I know this is a reply to Christine, but I really cant tell the relevance of any of those quotes to what she said. All I can gather is that there will be weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth...

EDIT: I mean, sure they are quotes from Jesus, but whats the relevance? They are out of context, and some of them aren't commands, rather, comments...

Those verses were directed at me, and I didn't see the relevance, either. Since Jesus told us to love everyone, I can't see how I could hate anyone at any time- even if I wanted to. I find more good in most people than bad. Anyone can quote verses but if they don't explain what they mean to him or her, then I wouldn't know what they are talking about.

I'll never be a Calvinist. If I am wrong (which I doubt, but...) then it is between God and me.

 

[Father Heathen]

It would be a delicious irony if hell turned out to be a reality, but only calvinists ended up there.

 

[internationalist]

Those verses were directed at me, and I didn't see the relevance, either. Since Jesus told us to love everyone, I can't see how I could hate anyone at any time- even if I wanted to. I find more good in most people than bad. Anyone can quote verses but if they don't explain what they mean to him or her, then I wouldn't know what they are talking about.

I'll never be a Calvinist. If I am wrong (which I doubt, but...) then it is between God and me.

Those quotes show that Jesus himself believed there are bad people who deserve only hell.

 

[ChristineES]

Those quotes show that Jesus himself believed there are bad people who deserve only hell.

Even if I totally agree with you (which I don't), that people are vile, then I would be vile, too. That would mean that if I hate people, I would also have to hate myself. How can we love others and God if we can't even love ourselves.

 

[Renji]

Calvinists and to an extent lutherans are the only true christians left.

Says who?

 

[Straw Dog]

Shalom,

As a Calvinist, I believe that humans are morally depraved, so I have nothing but contempt for them. I don't seek to hurt them, but I don't help them or even sympathize with them; they're not worth my time.

What about you? Love humans or hate them?

Thanks for participating.

Perhaps humans are neither morally righteous nor morally depraved. We have the capacity to pursue many different impulses and instinctual imperatives, but it ultimately rests with the conscious will on which actions shall be pursued. I don't see any more reason to love other humans than to hate them. However, seeing as love results in a greater experience of joy and happiness for both myself and others then it becomes more rational to love others as I love myself; this is what both Jesus and Lao Tzu taught.

 

[T-Dawg]

Humans are naturally childlike and need to be controlled and educated, just as the legalists in China taught.

While humans aren't inherently evil by virtue of being human, it is certainly easier to teach a human to become evil than it is to teach a human to be good, and right now our culture teaches humans to be evil and irrational.

 

[Revoltingest]

Humans are naturally childlike and need to be controlled and educated, just as the legalists in China taught.

While humans aren't inherently evil by virtue of being human, it is certainly easier to teach a human to become evil than it is to teach a human to be good, and right now our culture teaches humans to be evil and irrational.

Who will control the humans?

 

[ChristineES]

Who will control the humans?

Evil humans control the more evil humans. Or maybe it's the other way around. :bow:

 

[T-Dawg]

Who will control the humans?

Sometimes ideas control humans, like Christianity, Bolshevism, nationalism, Reality, or freedom, for examples. Sometimes pieces of paper control humans, like the Constitution. Sometimes money controls humans, like often seen in modern capitalist societies.
But when you get down to it, humans control other humans. And before you ask, no, there is no "objective" way to determine which human deserves to control other humans, because each and every human, including (perhaps especially) the uneducated, thinks they can control other humans and won't knowingly accept being controlled (although they can quite easily be tricked into accepting tyranny, such as through the ideas mentioned previously).

Educated humans deserve to rule, and educated humans determine what education is. I would not recommend attempting to restart this circle, since re-initiating the circular logic inevitably requires violence.

 

[Bird123]

Shalom,

As a Calvinist, I believe that humans are morally depraved, so I have nothing but contempt for them. I don't seek to hurt them, but I don't help them or even sympathize with them; they're not worth my time.

What about you? Love humans or hate them?

Thanks for participating.

God gave everyone a different view to guaranty mankind a larger view than any one person could possible have. If you choose to have nothing to do with them, how many pieces of the puzzle will you be missing??? I try to find the good in everyone. I have found everyone does hold goodness of some sort. Yes, I love everyone for to hate would only hurt myself. At the very least, I will point others in the right direction.

 

[Songbird]

That he has become a Calvinist is proof of his election.

Again,

That you have become a Calvinist is proof you don't know whether you're of the elect.

Still waiting to hear why you think otherwise.