Do You Have a Gas Stove or an Electric One?

[Revoltingest]

Old chinese saying ( really)
translates like, don't look,in the
kitchen if you plan to enjoy your meal.

Some cooks, it's always catching fire
but the are so used to just putting a cover
on it.

You can see, go around back, where exhaust
pipe goes.
Heavy yellow grease condensate dripping to the ground.

When the deep fry oil is too disgusting
to use, they sell it to peo0le whim " refine"
it and sell to even worse restaurants.

HK has fab world class food but you can't
get it cheap.

Home cooking involves less oil than
most restaurants. I only stay clear of
the kitchen cuz I might be asked to
help out. Me no cook.

 

[Stevicus]

This is the way to cook:

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is the way to cook:

So tempting. Now at 10% off!


https://grillblazer.com/

 

[Debater Slayer]

I had no idea this thread would become so popular when I made it. I guess stoves might be a more appealing subject than I thought.

 

[wandering peacefully]

You would need a reliable source for those claims. They may be misusing the term "efficient".

Since propane delivers more BTUs (per gallon or per cubic foot) and burns less volume per hour than natural gas by a factor of two-to-one, it is an energy-efficient alternative to natural gas for many applications. Depending on price of natural gas (per 1,000 cubic feet), propane could replace natural gas as a source of heating a building, home, or large volume structure. However, when natural gas is cheaper (e.g., under $20 per 1,000 cubic feet), the cost of using it to heat a home can be less costly than propane, even with the efficiency difference.

And the differences in regulators is what allows a propane or gas ventless fireplace but not a bbq grill inside. I didn't know that. But it makes sense obviously because people cook on gas stoves inside not just propane. Probably this has all been answered. I didn't get home until late.

 

[wandering peacefully]

How is this efficiency calculated?

BTUs.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Depends what you mean by efficiency. Both burn essentially 100% to CO2 and water, so no difference in combustion efficiency. It's true that methane gives out less heat per unit volume of gas (at the same pressure). So methane needs fatter pipes. But per unit mass they are almost the same. And propane is worse than methane for CO2 emission, as it has more carbon and less hydrogen in its molecules. (Ratio of water: CO2 is 2:1 for methane but 4:3 for propane.)

• 3. Eco-friendliness: Natural gas and propane are both clean-burning gases. Propane is actually the cleanest burning amongst fossil fuels and natural gas is not far behind. If this is the case, why is propane considered to be green fuel and natural gas is not?
  
  For a fuel to be green, it needs to be eco-friendly before and after its combustion. And this is true for propane. If propane is leaked to the atmosphere it does not cause any damage. However, the case is different with natural gas. The main component of natural gas is methane, which is a greenhouse gas.
  
  That is why it is really important to try to avoid natural gas leaks and accidents, so that it cannot get into the atmosphere.

What is the difference between natural gas and propane?

 

[exchemist]

• 3. Eco-friendliness: Natural gas and propane are both clean-burning gases. Propane is actually the cleanest burning amongst fossil fuels and natural gas is not far behind. If this is the case, why is propane considered to be green fuel and natural gas is not?
  
  For a fuel to be green, it needs to be eco-friendly before and after its combustion. And this is true for propane. If propane is leaked to the atmosphere it does not cause any damage. However, the case is different with natural gas. The main component of natural gas is methane, which is a greenhouse gas.
  
  That is why it is really important to try to avoid natural gas leaks and accidents, so that it cannot get into the atmosphere.

What is the difference between natural gas and propane?

Good point. If methane leaks, it is a potent greenhouse gas, whereas propane isn't. I should have included that factor in my list.

But the "energy efficiency" bullet point in the link is rubbish . The fact that propane has a volumetric higher energy density does not make it more efficient as a fuel. Why focus on volume? As I pointed out, on a weight for weight basis they are almost the same.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Good point. If methane leaks, it is a potent greenhouse gas, whereas propane isn't. I should have included that factor in my list.

But the "energy efficiency" bullet point in the link is rubbish . The fact that propane has a volumetric higher energy density does not make it more efficient as a fuel. Why focus on volume? As I pointed out, on a weight for weight basis they are almost the same.

I believe they are talking about how many BTUs per cubic gallon each produces. I know this is true because I recently had a new house built. The heating system is hydronic radiant floor using a propane fuel boiler. Well, for 6 months my carbon monoxide detector kept going off in the basement if my widows were closed down there and I was burning through twice as much propane as the system should have used. The builder kept saying it was oil burning off the new boiler unit. Finally I got an HVAC person to come look at it. It was never converted from natural gas to propane which consists of a tiny plastic part which lowers the incoming fuel by half. So the unit set up for natural gas was pumping in twice the fuel needed and proper combustion was not taking place causing the carbon monoxide.

I put the part in and no more detector and I'm literally burning half the fuel I was before. So always make sure your appliances are converted properly! If I didn't happen to have a carbon monoxide/fire combo wired alarm and only a fire alarm, I definitely would not be here writing this...

 

[metis]

This is the way to cook:

I would hate to see what "well done" looks like.

 

[exchemist]

I believe they are talking about how many BTUs per cubic gallon each produces. I know this is true because I recently had a new house built. The heating system is hydronic radiant floor using a propane fuel boiler. Well, for 6 months my carbon monoxide detector kept going off in the basement if my widows were closed down there and I was burning through twice as much propane as the system should have used. The builder kept saying it was oil burning off the new boiler unit. Finally I got an HVAC person to come look at it. It was never converted from natural gas to propane which consists of a tiny plastic part which lowers the incoming fuel by half. So the unit set up for natural gas was pumping in twice the fuel needed and proper combustion was not taking place causing the carbon monoxide.

I put the part in and no more detector and I'm literally burning half the fuel I was before. So always make sure your appliances are converted properly! If I didn't happen to have a carbon monoxide/fire combo wired alarm and only a fire alarm, I definitely would not be here writing this...

OK you don't mean cubic gallon (units of volume would be either gallons or cubic feet), but yes I can understand that if your system is designed with a flow rate for methane, that will be far too high a flow rate if you are trying to burn propane. But this is nothing to do with "efficiency", that's my point. It's just a matter of the energy density per unit volume. Efficiency would mean something to do with the proportion of theoretically available energy that is available in practice, and that won't differ significantly between the two fuels.

 

[Revoltingest]

BTUs.

Efficiency is a ratio.
BTUs vs what?
How is it measured?

 

[syo]

I have electric. I prefer gas.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since propane delivers more BTUs (per gallon or per cubic foot) and burns less volume per hour than natural gas by a factor of two-to-one, it is an energy-efficient alternative to natural gas for many applications. Depending on price of natural gas (per 1,000 cubic feet), propane could replace natural gas as a source of heating a building, home, or large volume structure. However, when natural gas is cheaper (e.g., under $20 per 1,000 cubic feet), the cost of using it to heat a home can be less costly than propane, even with the efficiency difference.

And the differences in regulators is what allows a propane or gas ventless fireplace but not a bbq grill inside. I didn't know that. But it makes sense obviously because people cook on gas stoves inside not just propane. Probably this has all been answered. I didn't get home until late.

And that is not how one measures efficiency. I thought that they might have used volume. That only makes propane gas twice as dense as natural gas, not twice as efficient. Mass is a much better unit to go by than volume.

 

[wandering peacefully]

And that is not how one measures efficiency. I thought that they might have used volume. That only makes propane gas twice as dense as natural gas, not twice as efficient. Mass is a much better unit to go by than volume.

Ok, obviously I need to do more research to understand how efficiency is measured in general and measured between natural gas and LGP.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, obviously I need to do more research to understand how efficiency is measured in general and measured between natural gas and LGP.

You will see that the only ones measuring "efficiency" in that way are also those advocating for propane. As fuels go I like propane. What I don't like is excessive hype.

 

[wandering peacefully]

You will see that the only ones measuring "efficiency" in that way are also those advocating for propane. As fuels go I like propane. What I don't like is excessive hype.

• 1. Energy efficiency: While comparing fuels, it is always important to compare how much energy we can get using the same amount. For this comparison, we will use BTUs, which stands for British Thermal Units and is a measurement of thermal energy.
  Using one cubic foot of natural gas produces 1030 BTUs. Using one cubic foot of propane produces 2516 BTUs. This means that if we use the same amount from both, we get 2,5 times the energy from propane. What is the difference between natural gas and propane?

I keep getting these results when googling efficiency of propane vs natural gas. It doesn't seem to matter what site it is. I don't think it is hype because they all say the same thing which is propane is 2x more efficient than natural gas. I guess ill stick with that until someone can show it's not true.

All I know is that I'm so glad to be done heating with a wood stove! If one measured the energy it takes to cut trees down, get them to a processing center, cut, split, deliver and then stack, bring into the house and keep putting it in the stove, heating with wood has a negative 10x efficiency!

 

[Subduction Zone]

• 1. Energy efficiency: While comparing fuels, it is always important to compare how much energy we can get using the same amount. For this comparison, we will use BTUs, which stands for British Thermal Units and is a measurement of thermal energy.
  Using one cubic foot of natural gas produces 1030 BTUs. Using one cubic foot of propane produces 2516 BTUs. This means that if we use the same amount from both, we get 2,5 times the energy from propane. What is the difference between natural gas and propane?

I keep getting these results when googling efficiency of propane vs natural gas. It doesn't seem to matter what site it is. I don't think it is hype because they all say the same thing which is propane is 2x more efficient than natural gas. I guess ill stick with that until someone can show it's not true.

All I know is that I'm so glad to be done heating with a wood stove! If one measured the energy it takes to cut trees down, get them to a processing center, cut, split, deliver and then stack, bring into the house and keep putting it in the stove, heating with wood has a negative 10x efficiency!

Have you checked your sources? Cubic feet is not how efficiency is measured. One measures it by usage of available energy. They do not even try to do that.

Don't go to sources that sell propane. They are not really trying to be natural gas. I don't know of anyone that took out gas lines that are fed to the house and metered and replaced them with propane where one has to have an extremal storage tank that is regularly filled. They are trying to convince owners of electricity to switch. And one way of getting around the "I will wait until natural gas is available in my neighborhood" argument (it may be never) is to say "But you can have propane now".

Please note that propane and natural gas are not even sold by the same units. Propane is sold by the volume of liquid propane. Natural gas is sold by the volume of natural gas as a gas.

Just for fun you should see if you can compare the per volume cost when both are in the gaseous phase.

 

[wandering peacefully]

I will look some more. Although the sites I have looked at so far were .org and converted the two to the same state and measured how many units of heat can be achieved by burning the same amount of each. .And I really wasn't looking for cost analysis. Propane is more expensive usually.

But definitely gas companies want to switch people to gas when we should be building all new housing and commercial buildings with solar panels on top that power heat pumps. But even those can't keep up when it gets super cold. I've managed to completely derail the thread so I'll stop now.

I do prefer my new gas stove to the old electric one. Especially the oven with built-in air fryer and convection options.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I will look some more. Although the sites I have looked at so far were .org and converted the two to the same state and measured how many units of heat can be achieved by burning the same amount of each. .And I really wasn't looking for cost analysis. Propane is more expensive usually.

But definitely gas companies want to switch people to gas when we should be building all new housing and commercial buildings with solar panels on top that power heat pumps. But even those can't keep up when it gets super cold. I've managed to completely derail the thread so I'll stop now.

I do prefer my new gas stove to the old electric one. Especially the oven with built-in air fryer and convection options.

There are definite advantages of gas over conventional electric. I would have gas if they had it. Though there do appear to be some negative aspects if one has children. I may go induction top if they don't have gas when my current stove dies. It appears to be better than gas. If you have the right pots and pans.