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Do you hope the beliefs "hell exist, where non-believer will be punish for eternity" to come true?

Do you hope the beliefs "hell exist, where non-believer will be punish for eternity" to come true?

  • I have this beliefs and i hope it to come true.

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • I have this beliefs and i hope it not to come true.

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • I don't have this beliefs and i hope it to come true.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't have this beliefs and i hope it not to come true.

    Votes: 21 58.3%
  • Other answer.

    Votes: 9 25.0%

  • Total voters
    36

Pudding

Well-Known Member
I was going to choose this option, "I don't have this beliefs and i hope it not to come true" but then I realised that I needed to go for the "Other answer" option.

Consequently my answer is...

"I don't have this belief and I am certain it will not happen"
You're certain that it'll not happen?
How certain you're? 100% certain, very certain, quite certain, or a little certain?

Don't get me wrong, i personally don't know whether it'll happen or not, and i certainly don't hope it to come true.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
I sure do hope "Hell" exists, but according to Judaism, Hell has nothing to do with what Christianity teaches.
In other words, you don't hope the hell which have describe in the op, to exists, right?
Therefor, your choices to the poll is "I don't have this beliefs and i hope it not to come true." ?
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Peace be on you.

1) According to Holy Quran, Hell is like temporary hospital or correctional temporary facility or place where 'incomplete ones' are made complete.

[ch101:v10] "Hell will be his (nursing) mother."
[Holy Quran: alislam.org/quran]
The words are "fa ummohu haviah"

As when unborn child gets completed, is born. The weak people will be treated and will be out of hell to climb the ladder of progress.

2) "" Holy Prophet announced:"A time will come when no one will be left in Hell; winds will blow and the windows and doors of Hell will make a rattling noise on account of the blowing winds." [Tafsir-ul-Maalam-ul-Tanzil under verse Hud:107]""
https://www.alislam.org/library/belief.html

[Ahmadiyya Muslim Resources]
Thanks for reply, i guess your choices for the poll is "I don't have this beliefs and i hope it not to come true".
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Hell is not exactly burning with fire. Yes, there is fire there, but fire is indeed rising of 1.wrong believes(e.g., Polytheism, Atheism, etc. ) and 2.bad doings(e.g., Oppression, Lie, etc.) from the heart(i.e., soul or sprite) of the bad man in which those wrong believes and doings have established during living in this world.

Holy Quran, [72:15],
But as for the unjust(bad doing), they will be, for Hell, firewood.

[3:10]
Indeed, those who disbelieve(wrong belief) - never will their wealth or their children avail them against Allah at all. And it is they who are fuel for the Fire.

[21:98]
Indeed, you [disbelievers] and what you worship other than Allah are the firewood of Hell. You will be coming to [enter] it.

Also, all disbelievers will not go to Hell. Who cannot bring forth any strength and have not been shown the right way will not go to Hell.

[4:97-99]
97.Behold, those whom the angels gather in death while they are still sinning against themselves, [the angels] will ask, "What was wrong with you?'' They will answer: "We were too weak on earth." [The angels] will say: "Was, then, God's earth not wide enough for you to forsake the domain of evil?" For such, then, the goal is hell - and how evil a journey's end!
98.But excepted shall be the truly helpless - be they men or women or children - who cannot bring forth any strength and have not been shown the right way:
99.as for them, God may well efface their sin - for God is indeed an absolver of sins, much-forgiving.
I do not have the belief of hell which describe in the op nor belief of any other interpretation of hell.
 

mojtaba

Active Member
All disbelievers will not be in Hell for eternity:

Holy Quran, Chapter 11
105.The day( Hereafter ) it comes, no one shall speak except by His leave. [On that day,] some of them will be wretched and [some] felicitous.

106.As for the wretched, they shall be in the Fire: their lot therein will be groaning and wailing.

107.They shall remain in it for as long as the heavens and the earth endure(i.e., for eternity)—except what your Lord may wish; indeed your Lord does whatever He desires.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
You only have not the believe of Hell, or you do not believe in Hearafter entirely?
I don't know whether any hell/afterlife exists or not.

Do i believe any hell/afterlife exists?
No.
Do i believe any hell/afterlife not exists?
No.

Any hell/afterlife may exists, may not exists, both is possible, i don't know the true answer.
 

mojtaba

Active Member
I don't know whether any hell/afterlife exists or not.

Do i believe any hell/afterlife exists?
No.
Do i believe any hell/afterlife not exists?
No.

Any hell/afterlife may exists, may not exists, both is possible, i don't know the true answer.
I hope that you find the true answer.:)

Do you believe
 

cambridge79

Active Member
Do you hope the beliefs of "a place name hell, exist, it's where non-believer/non-follower will be punish for eternity" to come true?

This hell is one interpretation by some believer to their God/religion's beliefs from some abrahamic religion.
In this interpretation, the hell is a place where non-believer/non-follower will be punish/burning for eternity because they don't believe in or don't accept or don't repentance to or don't obey the religion's God's existence/salvation/moral/law.

If you hope it to come true, please explain your reason for that.

i would wellcome some sort of ultimate justice but the idea of hell as proposed by religions is not ultimate justice is pure wicked nonsense.
the idea that Ghandi could be in hell cause he didn't accept jesus as his savior or that a gay man can end up in hell simply for being gay even if he spent is whole life caring for others, while at the same time Saddam Hussein can be in heaven if he sincerely repented and accepted christ in his very last day on earth it's pure wicked immoral nonsense and i reject it as a whole
 

cambridge79

Active Member
I've long held the opinion that should a god condemn anybody, even the cruelest person, to an eternity of torture, then that god is irredeemably evil. No amount of good deeds, not even bringing everybody else into heaven, could pardon sending even one person to such a hell.

In other words, I don't hope for an eternal hell for anybody.

ain't that amazing? one single man can be more merciful and forgiving than the allmighty god, yet he is considered the true source of justice, compassion and love, while we're just wicked creature that are sinners even before their first breath in this world. another religious nonsense.
 

Mr. Beebe

Active Member
ain't that amazing? one single man can be more merciful and forgiving than the allmighty god, yet he is considered the true source of justice, compassion and love, while we're just wicked creature that are sinners even before their first breath in this world. another religious nonsense.


God doesn't have an Eternal Torture Chamber where He houses the wicked, keeps them alive and tortures them without end..... This lie originated with Satan in the Garden of Eden. Satan's first lie to Eve was "Ye shall not surely die." Genesis 3:4.

Once the devil deceived men into believing the soul is immortal, it was quite easy to get men to believe that God tortures the wicked in a never-ending fire.

And what does the Bible say about God destroying the wicked? The Bible calls it, God's "strange" act.

"For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, He shall be wroth as in the Valley of Gibeon, that He may do His work, His strange work, and bring to pass His strange act." Isaiah 28:21.

Even the Bible refers to God's task of destroying the wicked as His "strange act". Strange for a loving God, to destroy His creation.

The Bible says that God will receive no joy at the destruction of the wicked. Ezekiel 33:11
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
i find it very telling the fact that those who ask things like "aren't you afraid by the chance that you could end up in hell?" are never afraid themselves by the idea that they may have chosen the wrong religion and can end up in the hell of some other deities.

There's only one reality .. forget about 'deities' .. some people just don't like authority, it seems to me..

It's alright for parents to warn their childeren that something bad might happen to them if they don't listen, but not for God?

Squabbling about the details of who is "in charge of hell" does not teach us anything. Furthermore, arguing for things that we like doing, (that God doesn't like us doing) is our perrogative .. we are free to choose our path .. some will be respectful to authority, and some will not. Some will be believers and some will not.

Hell exists in this life ie. suffering, anguish and so on , so why shouldn't it exist in the next life, if there is indeed a next life?
 
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