Do you KNOW God does not exist?

[Thief]

SERIOUSLY?

I never said anything about liking you or disliking you.
SERIOUSLY.. let's not get personal , NOR make personal attacks.

My POINT was that "The Lord of the Flies" is a horrible distopic view of childhood.
Most kids I KNOW are perfectly loving, caring, kind, generous, happy kids.

I don't LIVE in a depressing distopia. I've been in MANY terrible places in the world.
The kids were mostly all wonderfully nice.

Yes, there are exceptions.
That happens. Bad things happens.

Bad things happens to kids, and they react badly sometimes.
I'm shocked that your view of humanity is so poor.

Maybe the Lord of the Flies and inner city gangs are representative of ALL children to you.
That would be very sad for you, indeed, if that were the case.

Your view would not only be narrow, but tragically negative, if that were the case.
I hope it really isn't the case.

I am HAPPY that you know nice kids, though.
Let's try to make it a better world for ALL children.

I am looking forward to heaven.
The way there might be narrow....
but the kingdom is one very large playground.

Shocked by my view of humanity?
seen the news lately?

Children become what we call adults.....and the steps that lead to adulthood....are played in youth.
Cause and effect.

and we adults constantly point at each other and say...grow up.

 

[leibowde84]

But there are plenty of people who do speak of Bigfoot that are making a claim that he actually exists. Likewise, I can speak of God without making any claim that God is real, just as you can do it while claiming God is. How are these things any different?

I agree. Both can be done.

 

[Blastcat]

I am looking forward to heaven.
The way there might be narrow....
but the kingdom is one very large playground.

You seem to believe in things. How.. nice.

Shocked by my view of humanity?

Of course I am.
It's shocking in the sense that it's so utterly negative, damaging, and illogical.

However,

I'm not shocked by your poor attitude because your kind of negative views about humanity are so COMMON.
All too many people think poorly, and poorly of others.
So, the fact that you have it isn't surprising.
Also, I'd have to say that all too many so called theists have this kind of negative view of humanity.
So, it doesn't come as a shock to me that you are also one of those.
YOU ARE one of those. No shock.

However, you don't SEEM to like other humans much.
I DO think it's shocking, but more to the point, I think it's horribly SAD.

Sad for YOURSELF.. because your attitude stinks.
And we know that positive attitudes lead to happier lives.
You could have a happier life. It's sad that you don't.

It's SAD for others.

You live with others.
Your attitude about others stinks.
This isn't helpful to anyone.
It's hurtful to others.
Every time you profess your bad attitude about others, you hurt them
ESPECIALLY if you ever profess that bad attitude to CHILDREN..
Children soak up attitudes of others..
ESPECIALLY from grown ups. So you do damage to others, and quite possibly to any child you promulgate this terrible attitude to.
Let's hope that you DON'T promulgate this negative attitude to any children, FOR THEIR SAKE.
If not for yours or mine.

That's not only SAD for them but WRONG of you.
Don't you ever consider that your bad attitude may AFFECT others around you?

seen the news lately?

Yes, I watch the news.
But the news isn't going to help your case, in FACT, the news is going to DISPROVE your case.

Allow me to illustrate this quite obvious point.

We all should know that the news focuses on what is extraordinary.
MOST good stories are not really extra-ordinary, so they get a pass.
A whole bunch of kids DIDN'T murder anyone today?.. not news.

One kid murders someone today? THAT'S news.

News is about something that happens that is NEW.. that's why it's CALLED the "news", it's something that happened that was NOVEL.. that was OUT of the ordinary, that was NEW and different.

GOOD PEOPLE DOING GOOD THINGS isn't NEW at all.

So, it's not generally in the news.
But yeah, I seen the news lately.
It's what news usually is.
The "NEWS" has to focus on bad things that happen most of the time.
Like volcanoes, earth quakes and mud slides and murders and wars.

I mean, let's be fair about the news.. they have to CHOOSE between stories people are interested in.
Most people aren't interested in NORMAL events like kids being mostly well behaved.

That's way too NORMAL to report.. that isn't really DIFFERENT or NOTEWORTHY.
But that's because well behaved children are NOT different or noteworthy.

Good kids aren't NEWS dude.

If you think that the news can POSSIBLY be the authority on what is real, you are mistaken.
We have to have NEWS editors to SIFT through what is happening in the world .. to get at the INTERESTING stories.

The BORING stories get a pass. The utterly BORING stories aren't what is called the "news".

Kids not doing anything wrong at all isn't INTERESTING, this is BORING.

You wont SEE a headline reading "Johnny was nice to everyone today!"

EVER.. in ANY news.
But yeah, I've seen the news.

The NEWS is only PART of what data can be had.
It FOCUSES on the extra-ordinary.

You tend to focus on the news .. so your views about what kids are like are going to be skewed in the extra-ordinary, and NOT the ordinary. Since the EXTRA-ORDINARY tends to be NEGATIVE... the ORDINARY state of affairs is .. SOMETHING ELSE THAN NEGATIVE.

Children become what we call adults.....and the steps that lead to adulthood....are played in youth.
Cause and effect.

Yeah, and MOST adults are good. Was that your point, because I don't think that was your point.
If most adults AREN'T killing each other.... oh wait, do you THINK that most adults are murderers?...

Oh yeah, right.. you DO think that most humans are evil, don't you?.. sorry stupid question.

But about that cause and effect... you don't think that people can CHANGE their behaviors at all ? Are you implying that NOBODY can change from evil little kid to good grown-up?
You haven't HEARD of personal growth?

Interesting life you lead.
Sheltered, I'd say.

seen the news lately?

and we adults constantly point at each other and say...grow up.

Well, if an ADULT can't tell the difference between FACT and FANTASY.. he should grow up in that regard.
That would be a very CHILDISH way of thinking.

 

[Thief]

You seem to believe in things. How.. nice.



Of course I am.
It's shocking in the sense that it's so utterly negative, damaging, and illogical.

However,

I'm not shocked by your poor attitude because your kind of negative views about humanity are so COMMON.
All too many people think poorly, and poorly of others.
So, the fact that you have it isn't surprising.
Also, I'd have to say that all too many so called theists have this kind of negative view of humanity.
So, it doesn't come as a shock to me that you are also one of those.
YOU ARE one of those. No shock.

However, you don't SEEM to like other humans much.
I DO think it's shocking, but more to the point, I think it's horribly SAD.

Sad for YOURSELF.. because your attitude stinks.
And we know that positive attitudes lead to happier lives.
You could have a happier life. It's sad that you don't.

It's SAD for others.

You live with others.
Your attitude about others stinks.
This isn't helpful to anyone.
It's hurtful to others.
Every time you profess your bad attitude about others, you hurt them
ESPECIALLY if you ever profess that bad attitude to CHILDREN..
Children soak up attitudes of others..
ESPECIALLY from grown ups. So you do damage to others, and quite possibly to any child you promulgate this terrible attitude to.
Let's hope that you DON'T promulgate this negative attitude to any children, FOR THEIR SAKE.
If not for yours or mine.

That's not only SAD for them but WRONG of you.
Don't you ever consider that your bad attitude may AFFECT others around you?



Yes, I watch the news.
But the news isn't going to help your case, in FACT, the news is going to DISPROVE your case.

Allow me to illustrate this quite obvious point.

We all should know that the news focuses on what is extraordinary.
MOST good stories are not really extra-ordinary, so they get a pass.
A whole bunch of kids DIDN'T murder anyone today?.. not news.

One kid murders someone today? THAT'S news.

News is about something that happens that is NEW.. that's why it's CALLED the "news", it's something that happened that was NOVEL.. that was OUT of the ordinary, that was NEW and different.

GOOD PEOPLE DOING GOOD THINGS isn't NEW at all.

So, it's not generally in the news.
But yeah, I seen the news lately.
It's what news usually is.
The "NEWS" has to focus on bad things that happen most of the time.
Like volcanoes, earth quakes and mud slides and murders and wars.

I mean, let's be fair about the news.. they have to CHOOSE between stories people are interested in.
Most people aren't interested in NORMAL events like kids being mostly well behaved.

That's way too NORMAL to report.. that isn't really DIFFERENT or NOTEWORTHY.
But that's because well behaved children are NOT different or noteworthy.

Good kids aren't NEWS dude.

If you think that the news can POSSIBLY be the authority on what is real, you are mistaken.
We have to have NEWS editors to SIFT through what is happening in the world .. to get at the INTERESTING stories.

The BORING stories get a pass. The utterly BORING stories aren't what is called the "news".

Kids not doing anything wrong at all isn't INTERESTING, this is BORING.

You wont SEE a headline reading "Johnny was nice to everyone today!"

EVER.. in ANY news.
But yeah, I've seen the news.

The NEWS is only PART of what data can be had.
It FOCUSES on the extra-ordinary.

You tend to focus on the news .. so your views about what kids are like are going to be skewed in the extra-ordinary, and NOT the ordinary. Since the EXTRA-ORDINARY tends to be NEGATIVE... the ORDINARY state of affairs is .. SOMETHING ELSE THAN NEGATIVE.



Yeah, and MOST adults are good. Was that your point, because I don't think that was your point.
If most adults AREN'T killing each other.... oh wait, do you THINK that most adults are murderers?...

Oh yeah, right.. you DO think that most humans are evil, don't you?.. sorry stupid question.

But about that cause and effect... you don't think that people can CHANGE their behaviors at all ? Are you implying that NOBODY can change from evil little kid to good grown-up?
You haven't HEARD of personal growth?

Interesting life you lead.
Sheltered, I'd say.

seen the news lately?



Well, if an ADULT can't tell the difference between FACT and FANTASY.. he should grow up in that regard.
That would be a very CHILDISH way of thinking.

must have hit a nerve.....

 

[Shad]

You would then insist....the parables are empty rhetoric?

Never mentioned parables but the idea that people have a truth others lack is an empty claim if it can not be demonstrated. It is that idea which is sophistry based rhetoric.

 

[Thief]

Never mentioned parables but the idea that people have a truth others lack is an empty claim if it can not be demonstrated. It is that idea which is sophistry based rhetoric.

If we all held the same truth...at all points....the world would be of one mind and heart.

I have truths....that I believe hold firm even as spoken.
The inspiration came from the Carpenter.
His technique renders a sound mind and heart.

Have you another mentor?

 

[Shad]

If we all held the same truth...at all points....the world would be of one mind and heart.

Hence why subjective truth is not factual truth but believed to be true. These are no the same.

I have truths....that I believe hold firm even as spoken.
The inspiration came from the Carpenter.
His technique renders a sound mind and heart.

You own comment is a suitable example.

Have you another mentor?

For you in mind? I can not say that I have since I do not know your interests outside of religion. There are mentors of specifics and general ideas, career path, study path, education, philosophy, etc. I would start with Hume, Popper or Camus before branching out into views that would be considered in opposition of your own. Honestly I can not read your mind nor read your interests.

 

[Thief]

Honestly I can not read your mind nor read your interests.

but you will...and so too all of heaven.

I believe we leave this world with only what we have become.
and we leave naked.

Here in this life, I post....you read.
If closer, I speak...you listen.
the same in return.

Next life....mind to mind, heart to heart.

Nothing can be withheld.
Nothing can be hidden.

It is written....all things done in secret shall be made known.

 

[`mud]

hey Thief,
I like your belief in your belief in your God.
I oviously don't agree , but I do like.
I almost hope that you're right,
I hope I get there, but (there's) is not.
I'll stick to my memories, that I create, and they'll absorb.
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

hey Thief,
I like your belief in your belief in your God.
I oviously don't agree , but I do like.
I almost hope that you're right,
I hope I get there, but (there's) is not.
I'll stick to my memories, that I create, and they'll absorb.
~
'mud

If you hold your thought and feeling long enough....I might be able to find you....
later on.

 

[Blastcat]

must have hit a nerve.....

Don't spend a second thinking about it.

 

[`mud]

hey Thief,
Don't hold your breath !
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

hey Thief,
Don't hold your breath !
~
'mud

I plan on losing mine!

 

[Blastcat]

I plan on losing mine!

Brains need oxygen to work well.

 

[`mud]

I wonder ???
~
'mud

 

[outhouse]

The inspiration came from the Carpenter.

He was probably never a carpenter

There was little wood in Nazareth and the word translates by the best specialist as hand worker who lived life below a common peasant.

That is academia, not made up apologetic rhetoric

I have truths....that I believe hold firm even as spoken.

You have faith, not truth. Over the years you have provided many cases of stubborn willful ignorance and refusal of credible anthropology you also refuse to study.

His technique renders a sound mind and heart.

You don't know the first thing about the man.

You only know the apologetic Hellenistic retelling of his life, by people who were far removed from the actual man himself.

 

[Thief]

He was probably never a carpenter

There was little wood in Nazareth and the word translates by the best specialist as hand worker who lived life below a common peasant.

That is academia, not made up apologetic rhetoric



You have faith, not truth. Over the years you have provided many cases of stubborn willful ignorance and refusal of credible anthropology you also refuse to study.



You don't know the first thing about the man.

You only know the apologetic Hellenistic retelling of his life, by people who were far removed from the actual man himself.

Start a thread....denying the truth of the parables....

 

[Thief]

Brains need oxygen to work well.

So your last breath IS your last breath......?

 

[Blastcat]

So your last breath IS your last breath......?

Yes, and the sky is the sky and eggs are eggs.

Things are generally what they are. In the REAL world where the REAL people live, in any case.
Maybe not in OZ.

 

[OurCreed]

No, not really. Knowledge does not need such certainty. A claim that can not be evidenced can still be rejected out of hand. I don't need to search the universe, if such a being exists show me?

It has nothing to do with rejection. You can definitely reject an idea, but claiming that you 100% know about something that transcends time and space is unreal.