Do you know God?

[Phantasman]

The Messages were sent to the Churches. Christ fulfilled his promise, that can not be found in a church.

I go to my local church each week, they pray for the event that has unfolded. The world is as it is, because they are yet to embrace what they pray for.

Regards Tony

I am not an orthodox believer.
Mark:
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Nation is different than church. While the Bahai faith believes all religions are spiritually correct, I do not. I divide the false prophets from the true prophets. The instilling of the OT and Gospel to be side by side diluted the Gospel message, IMO. Galatians addresses this almost to perfect detail.

The Gospel is withing the Bible just as the Tree of Knowledge/Life was in the Garden of Eden. Christ saw this (Gethsemane) and wanted more time.

But through Paul, he continued to worked the Spirit. Paul tried to stop it, and could only dispute it so the seeker could find it and see it.

Ephesians 6:
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.

For clarity, I use the 1599 Geneva Bible translation that includes "worldly governors" that was removed by King James 13 years later.

I see the differences between the OT god and the Father (of Christ). As well as Allah. It's not about what "flesh and blood" dictates, but having a clear image of the "high places".

Just my view.

 

[Phantasman]

Jesus was very much in this world as we see by the gospel accounts, as he didn't just sit around repeating mantras. He dealt with real people with real problems and with those from diverse backgrounds. See the difference?

Whatever.

John 15:
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Because they can see the bible is true. Especially all have been watching Revelation pass before their eyes for many years, yet few have a clue.

Well Revelation wasn't exactly a hard book to write as far as making predictions go.

Keep it general and vague as one can when writing a book of prophecy and you're right as rain.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I am not an orthodox believer.
Mark:
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Nation is different than church. While the Bahai faith believes all religions are spiritually correct, I do not. I divide the false prophets from the true prophets. The instilling of the OT and Gospel to be side by side diluted the Gospel message, IMO. Galatians addresses this almost to perfect detail.

The Gospel is withing the Bible just as the Tree of Knowledge/Life was in the Garden of Eden. Christ saw this (Gethsemane) and wanted more time.

But through Paul, he continued to worked the Spirit. Paul tried to stop it, and could only dispute it so the seeker could find it and see it.

Ephesians 6:
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.

For clarity, I use the 1599 Geneva Bible translation that includes "worldly governors" that was removed by King James 13 years later.

I see the differences between the OT god and the Father (of Christ). As well as Allah. It's not about what "flesh and blood" dictates, but having a clear image of the "high places".

Just my view.

Yes we all have a view and the OP raises the greatest question we will all face.

To know God, our material learning becomes a barrier, not for all, but the majority of us.

Verse 9 from Mark quoted above by you was fulfilled in both the Bab and Baha'u'llah and Muhammad also.

The Gospel preached to all the Nation's was seen to be fulfilled by 1844. There is ample on the net about this.

Always consider God doeth as He Willeth.

Regards Tony

 

[Phantasman]

Yes we all have a view and the OP raises the greatest question we will all face.

To know God, our material learning becomes a barrier, not for all, but the majority of us.

Verse 9 from Mark quoted above by you was fulfilled in both the Bab and Baha'u'llah and Muhammad also.

The Gospel preached to all the Nation's was seen to be fulfilled by 1844. There is ample on the net about this.

Always consider God doeth as He Willeth.

Regards Tony

What does the Bab say of this?
Matthew:
All things are given unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither knoweth any man the Father, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

The Son (capital S) is who?

Do you see many Sons or one? I see one, not many.

Perspective.

 

[savagewind]

Ha! "All of Christianity is divided... except my one little splinter. There's no division inside our divided-off piece."

There is division inside the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. But, the ones who do not agree cannot make it known that they do because to disagree with what the governing body is teaching presently is forbidden.

Edit: but at least you've stopped saying that your dogma isn't dogma.

You do not know that. I suspect that he still thinks it is dogma. He just won't admit it. He can't admit it, in my opinion.

 

[savagewind]

Jesus real teachers = the faithful and discreet slave, who give food( spiritual) at the proper time--when God wills a truth known. Especially these truths-Dan 12:4)
They corrected their mistakes at the proper time.

You use the past tense. Are there no more mistakes for them to correct?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What does the Bab say of this?
Matthew:
All things are given unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither knoweth any man the Father, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

The Son (capital S) is who?

Do you see many Sons or one? I see one, not many.

Perspective.

Through Jesus, the Holy Spirit which is the First and the Last, the I Am, was known as Christ 'Anointed One' and came in the Station of the Son, showing the relationship with the Father yet to Come.

Christ said The Father and I are One!

It makes sense Christ the Son returns as the Father.

Christ the Son has Shown us Baha'u'llah the Father.

Baha'u'llah has shown us that God is one in all His Messengers. The Bab was the Gate that prepared the way.

Here we see Baha'u'llah coming by the way of the Gate, East of the Holy Land

Ezekiel 43:4 "The glory of the LORD entered the temple through the gate facing east."

Sorry I am out, so short explanation.

Regards Tony

 

[kjw47]

Then which planet do you live on?

Its clear for all to see. A JW doesn't vote-- No celebrating pagan filled holidays-- No killing each other in wars of hatred. Etc.

 

[kjw47]

The Bible foretells of Muhammad and thus Muhammad is foretold by the God of Abraham. Muhammad is one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation clothed in sackcloth, who would give Prophecy for 1260 years.

Makes sense, as Islam had control of the Holy Land until the restriction was lifted giving freedom of religon which allowed the Jews to return in 1844. (Adict of Tolleration 1844)

The year AD1844 is also the year AH1260.

We narrow our vision when we do not look for Christ in all things. We have eyes that will not see and keep ears that will not hear what the Spirit says to the Churches.

The Spirit has spoken to the Churches.

Regards Tony

Not a single mortal can prove Mohammed was one of the 2 witnesses--No matter who any think he is--He will NEVER be ahead of Gods son.

 

[kjw47]

Give me one reason I should be concerned?

Read Rev 13-- it has been occurring for years.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Not a single mortal can prove Mohammed was one of the 2 witnesses--No matter who any think he is--He will NEVER be ahead of Gods son.

You are correct, Muhammad is One with Christ, to praise One is to praise Another, to reject One is to reject Another.

This has been proven to my heart. We would give our life for any One that is the First and Last, the I Am.

Regards Tony

 

[kjw47]

... in the same sense that any other Christian denomination stands out from the rest of Christianity.

Your denomination has some unique characteristics, but the same can be said of any other division within Christianity.

The real religion Jesus began served the God of Israel-YHWH(Jehovah)a single being God) and accepted Jesus as the one sent forth by God--The Messiah. That throws out 32999 0f those religions that claim christianity. The teachings of Jesus prove the rest.

 

[kjw47]

a creator is neither male nor female but created both in it's form.

its as much female as it is male. it gave rise to both but is neither exclusively and both inclusively

the thunder perfect mind isn't conditioned to a form exclusive to one vs another. all comes from the ALL. if you like, they can be used as a singular pronoun.

The bible does not teach anything like that.

 

[savagewind]

Its clear for all to see. A JW doesn't vote-- No celebrating pagan filled holidays-- No killing each other in wars of hatred. Etc.

Heads up! Wars are not fought because of hatred. Wars are fought for control and defense.
If you can call control hatred, then what on Earth do you call what your Watchtower is doing?

 

[kjw47]

Well Revelation wasn't exactly a hard book to write as far as making predictions go.

Keep it general and vague as one can when writing a book of prophecy and you're right as rain.

Actually it is all falling into place quickly. Read Rev 13 -- look at the world--all can see it happening for years.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The real religion Jesus began served the God of Israel-YHWH(Jehovah)a single being God) and accepted Jesus as the one sent forth by God--The Messiah. That throws out 32999 0f those religions that claim christianity. The teachings of Jesus prove the rest.

Yes there is only One God.

Remember you are claiming True Christianity. Not Muhammad, the Bab or Baha'u'llah.

They came in a New Name, gave a Message from God, supported by Biblical Scriptures and then showed us the true Christ and Chrisrianity.

Regards Tony

 

[kjw47]

Heads up! Wars are not fought because of hatred. Wars are fought for control and defense.
If you can call control hatred, then what on Earth do you call what your Watchtower is doing?

Every Jw I know uses their freewill to listen to Jesus' teachers( Luke 10:16) -- The only control begins at the top( Gods will) --You see only those living now to do Gods will get to enter Jesus' Fathers kingdom( Matt 7:21)--thus--all true followers do as Jesus did --put His God and Fathers will first in all things.( John 5:30)---Every time I show a Trinitarian what Jesus taught--they reject it??Why? Those teachings are in the bible they use or don't use it sounds more like.
Ask the guy next to his buddy who just had his head blown off if hatred is not the cause in mortal hearts. This govt hates that govt--- not one of them listen to Jesus.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Read Rev 13-- it has been occurring for years.

Revelation 13 is about Muhammad and Islam. In the year 666 the beast tried to destroy Islam.

Lots written on this now. @InvestigateTruth

Regards Tony

 

[Twilight Hue]

Actually it is all falling into place quickly. Read Rev 13 -- look at the world--all can see it happening for years.

Not just years, it's been happening for decades, centuries so far.