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Do you support the death penalty?
- Thread starter Jumi
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Sure thing, I'm always open to questions, specially from good people like you.
No, I certainly wouldn't be happy about it. I would wish they hadn't done it. Execution in my beliefs is not for revenge or getting back at the offender, it is to have justice (tho there are alternatives to forgive in some cases and have the punishment dropped or reduced), to protect the community from further danger, and to cleanse the sin in many cases so in the afterlife there is no punishment.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
The death penalty creates more victims ie the offenders family whom are innocent .Is not justice you misunderstand the reasoning , is no justice to create more victim . Is no justice in any country that has death penalty ..Period ..sorry u need to understand , you use wrong word is not your fault .
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SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Is unbalanced comment from someone whom just yesterday was describing taoism to me .
Maponos
Welcome to the Opera
I was just explain the concept of Yin and Yang. But how is supporting the death penalty contrary to that?
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Well it creates more victims fall outside the definition of justice .
https://gavinkerslake.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/justice.jpg
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Gut reactions based on sheer emotion are not always the wisest. If I reacted just sheer emotion all my life, I'd be serving many life sentences, let me tell ya.
And yet I do know how difficult it is to have restraint under such circumstances, so I don't condemn the impulse, but I do feel that we need to try and cool down and do what's best.
And plain old-fashioned punishment.
McBell
Unbound
What is the difference between justice and revenge?
Justice usually begins with established laws that don't change for exceptional individuals. You do X wrong, you get Y as a result. Justice holds back revenge but sometimes compromises with it. Vengeance is not about utility and fairness, not about society, not about making a community function. With revenge no redress is enough. An example of revenge is: "You touched my stuff, so now I have to kill you and everyone who has ever loved you." Its way, way overbalanced with no fairness in it at all. Its just the feeling that someone ought to suffer horribly and or be killed.
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
Maybe a murder can change, maybe not. I'm not taking a rigid view of what constitutes murder, and I wouldn't want to execute those who kill without premeditation, for example.
As for expense, have you any idea how much it costs to keep someone in prison? Even the very elaborate US executions can't compare, while when we British just used a short rope and a long drop, the cost was negligible: even the rope was re-used!
Wirey
Fartist
I am completely in favour of the death penalty with one proviso. The law should read such that a prosecutor who goes after the death penalty and loses is put to death. Might make the application of it a little more fairly thought out. How many DAs would the Innocence Project have planted?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Do you know that, on the average, it is more expensive to execute a prisoner than to incarcerate him/her for life? And to shorten the process increases the chances of wrongful death, so do we really want to take that chance, especially since the FBI has estimated that about 1/10 of all prisoners are innocent of the crimes they were convicted on? I live in Michigan, whereas the wrong man was indeed executed, and we were the first state to outlaw capital punishment.
And here in the States we are seeing "criminals" being released when the d.n.a. testing proved that they weren't the guilty party. It's one thing if they were falsely imprisoned, but it's quite another when they're dead, as it's not quite as meaningful if we dig up the body and say "Listen, we're really sorry".
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
Justice is about balancing the scales , revenge is about making someone pay . One an attribute of a civilized society the other of barbarism .
A death penalty creates lots more innocent victims , offenders parents , spouse , children , other family , friends , work friends , not only the loss of a loved one but also a stigma.
A mother may not be able to forgive but still love the offender, death penalty is punishing offenders mother more than offender once he dead is only her suffering ,or others .
McBell
Unbound
Problem is, it is not that black and white a difference.
What some consider justice, others consider revenge.
I have often heard that justice is nothing more than acceptable revenge.
I have never heard an argument that actually refutes it.
They have all merely minimized the revenge until they felt comfortable calling it justice.
OASN:
Where do you draw the line?
Your above "reasoning" can be used to justify the not ever doing a thing to anyone.
How are the family of the offender victims, and what kind of victims are they?
Oh, you.
OK, fair enough - but would you be willing to do it? I basically mean by this, if you think that it's right the state does this on its own discretion, then would you also be willing to do what you advocate?
No, I wouldn't. I would just withdraw. And if I knew it is not done the right way, including a fair trial for a crime I believe deserves it and being done by the authorities following a well put system/law, then I would not approve of it. I did say that I hate it. What I mean by supporting it, is not that I like it or want it to happen. I mean that I believe there are those who deserve it and that it can have a benefit to the community.
But surely if you think that it is in some cases necessary you should be willing to do it yourself, rather than simply expecting others to do it for you? Even if, in practice, there's no reason you'd need to do it.