Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

A lump of dirt, or a trail of horse poop, lying in the road have "form" but are not designed. In English, form can be a verb (meaning to give shape to) or it can be a noun, meaning simply to have a shape, which was not (necessarily) given.

We can ask who formed that road.
the answser :road formed by human or nature.

Non sequitur. Ignores the point made.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

We can ask who formed that road.
the answser :road formed by human or nature.

A road doesn't have to be made by humans. Trails just form when lots of creatures of any kind tromp through the same area repeatedly.

 

[Shad]

We can ask who formed that road.
the answser :road formed by human or nature.

By definition a road is a created thing. You example is horrible due to a language barrier.

People need to stop confusing a pathways and trails with roads.

 

[Valjean]

A road doesn't have to be made by humans. Trails just form when lots of creatures of any kind tromp through the same area repeatedly.

It's a false analogy anyway; another watchmaker pleading.
Evolution only occurs when there's reproduction, with variation in the offspring.

 

[Godobeyer]

By definition a road is a created thing. .

That's what I talking about.
I do agree with this formed is created thing.

 

[Godobeyer]

A road doesn't have to be made by humans. Trails just form when lots of creatures of any kind tromp through the same area repeatedly.

Some made by humans and by nature.

 

[metis]

For me, Metis, it is not just that evidence is lacking, but that a bit of careful thinking tends to strongly suggest that our universe was not intentionally created. Here, for me, is the key to that argument: we must posit a being of pure spirit, with neither physical, spatial or temporal qualities as part of its nature, that suddenly notices, "Do you know what? We don't have and stuff or any time, and that needs to be corrected!"

Add to that the certainty that "stuff" and "time," when taken together, inevitably leads to change -- and thus decay and death --which until that moment never existed!

It would take a pretty monumental argument (the like of which I have not heard yet) to convince me of that.

Yes, I tend to agree with you, and let me just add that because of what we now understand about quantum mechanics, the odds that we are the only universe is quite diminished, plus the laws of physics in another universe may well be at least somewhat different than with ours. And some cosmologists believe that it is possible that the laws of physics may even differ somewhat within our own universe.

If there is a deity(ies), I have long tended to think more along the line of Spinoza and Einstein, namely that "God(s)" may be so intertwined with our universe/multiverse as to be inseparable or maybe even one and the same. With this scenario, science and its variability becomes more theologically logical. However, I'm the first to admit that's all quite a stretch, so I don't accept it as "gospel".

BTW, I'm really glad you chose to be here at RF.

 

[Godobeyer]

Non sequitur. Ignores the point made.

Something had form.

There is one possiblity something else formed it.

by the way, form is noun, it has verb.

 

[Shad]

That's what I talking about.
I do agree with this formed is created thing.

Your example is horrible as nature does not produce roads, ever. It is a dead end as you do not know what "road" actually means. That is all you have demonstrated so far.

 

[Godobeyer]

Your example is horrible as nature does not produce roads, ever. It is a dead end as you do not know what "road" actually means. That is all you have demonstrated so far.

We consider it road made by nature.

 

[Shad]

We consider it road made by nature.

No such thing. As I said you do not know what road means.

 

[Valjean]

Something had form.

There is one possiblity something else formed it.

by the way, form is noun, it has verb.

Only one?
Maybe there are four, or nine.
Just because you can't think of other alternatives doesn't eliminate them.

 

[Godobeyer]

No such thing. As I said you do not know what road means.

Your denial is horrible.

Exactly as you said valley made by nature or mountain by nature.

 

[Valjean]

No such thing. As I said you do not know what road means.

Semantic quibbling.

 

[Shad]

Semantic quibbling.

Nope. It's called a dictionary, buy one and use it.

 

[Godobeyer]

Only one?
Maybe there are four, or nine.
Just because you can't think of other alternatives doesn't eliminate them.

No I meant "possiblity" not ways.

Yes everything had form,something else formed it.

 

[Godobeyer]

No such thing. As I said you do not know what road means.

I meant trails made by nature, animals ..;etc

 

[Valjean]

Nope. It's called a dictionary, buy one and use it.

I'm questioning your post's relevance, not its semantics.
Perhaps you should look up "quibbling."

 

[Shad]

I meant trails made by nature, animals ..;etc

Which can be created by nature. For example a dry riverbed can be used as a path/trial but it was never made to be one. Water runoff can form into a narrow canal which can be used as a path/trial after water levels return to normal but it was never developed as a path/trail itself.

 

[Shad]

I'm questioning your post's relevance, not its semantics.

The irrelevance is that someone is using a word which already contains the parameter of a created thing thus not natural. This causes the whole argument to collapse as there is no comparison to nature in the context of what a road is. It is not quibbling to point out the wrong word was used.

Perhaps you should look up "quibbling."

No need as you made the same error as GO.