Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[dawny0826]

Hello everybody .

EDITED to add:

I am in discuss with some members , they deny that their body is desinged , and all species,plants...are designed or created,maybe to skip the question "who designed us,and all this life?"

I do believe that it's fact to me and to many people,it's maybe sounds crazy to deny this clear fact, which we are see it and living in it,through it !

Please vote,then explain your opinion
Thanks in advance

I vote yes. I'm of the belief that God set biology into motion with specific intentions. Man is his most beloved design.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, it is not known "that theory of evolution considered by atheists as origin of life".

Evolution does not deal with the beginning of life.

Perhaps you, for my experience here, most of time when I mention to God,there was no creation, they reply by evolution.

 

[Godobeyer]

In every moment, yes. It is happening now.

So every specie created alone,as video mentioned ?

So what if most atheists believe in evolution? So do huge numbers of theists. Dude, it's officially accepted by the Roman Catholic Church.

I think you lie.
As origin of life,as I said?

Man you're gonna have to be more spec.

I was specific, you need to ask me first to clarify my point,instead of insulting my view.

Despite I doubt that you understood my point just pretend!

 

[Kirran]

So every specie created alone,as video mentioned ?

"He let living things evolve" - that's what the video says.

I think you lie.
As origin of life,as I said?

Evolution doesn't address the origins of life. So no, of course not. That wouldn't make any sense.

I was specific, you need to ask me first to clarify my point,instead of insulting my view.

Despite I doubt that you understood my point just pretend!

Right, but what I'm asking is for you to point out to me when it was you feel I insulted you. We have spoken quite a bit here so if you could point to the message then I will gladly address it. I wouldn't have been trying to insult you.

 

[Milton Platt]

No,that's two cells combined to become zygote,which contain all your information of your body.


I meant one cell seperated.

Let's suppose all life get extinction , there is one single proteint cell in world alive, what will do that cell alone ?


Do you speak about rainbow formed by sun and rain ?

That's support my view.

Abiogenesis does not postulate that life began as one cell. It would have been simpler than that. Probably RNA instead of DNA and no nucleus and no cell wall......

But if all life ended except for one cell, what happened would depend upon a number of thingas, such as the specific environment it was in, what specific kind of cell it was (a bacteria, perhaps?) and so on.

But let me point out to you once again, that if the theory of evolution was proven totally wrong tomorrow, so what then????? It does not demonstrate that your preferred god exists, or that any other kinds of gods exist. We are simply left with a question that we do not know the answer to.

 

[gnostic]

Its known that theory of evolution considered by atheists as origin of life,God nothing to do with.

That's utter bulls###, godobeyer.

Evolution has nothing to do with origin of life. The study of origin of life is abiogenesis, not evolution.

Abiogenesis is research on how inorganic compounds form into living and organic compounds.

For instance, how to manipulate and mix non-living molecules into compounds that are essential for life, eg. nucleic acids (DNA), proteins and carbohydrates.

These three most basic biological compounds are themselves are not life itself, but they are essential in understanding how life form, in abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is more about using inorganic chemistry to recreate organic chemistry (biochemistry), so starting from scratch. Abiogenesis don't involve genetics at all.

And though understanding DNA (nucleic acid), proteins and carbohydrates are also important in evolution, evolutionary biology (or theory of evolution) don't focus how to recreate them from scratch.

Evolution deals with changes to genes (hence gene variants), and it require the parents to pass the genes to offspring, hereditary and genetics involved. The process in evolution, required life to already exist.

So the differences between abiogenesis and evolution are these:

1. Evolution involved genetics (hence, passing genes from one generation to the next), therefore, a descendant cannot inherit gene without the existence of parents and ancestors; abiogenesis don't involve genetics at all.
2. Evolution require life to already exist for evolution to occur; abiogenesis is about trying recreating life from non-living matters.
3. Evolution is about biodiversity (changes, adaptation and evolving); again, abiogenesis is about creating living matters from non-living matters.

And you are being lame, because atheists aren't the only ones who evolution. Many Christians, Jews, Hindus and other theistic groups accept evolution. Non-theistic religions, like Buddhism, for instance, people accept evolution. I have even a few Muslims accept evolution at RF.

You are also being lame, not been able to distinguish evolution from abiogenesis.

Can you really tell people they are wrong, when you don't even understand basic biology?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

You have all time .
That will never happened.

Well, that remains to be seen..

 

[The_Fisher_King]

But religion isn't very important. The place I usually go to worship, which is a big spiritual centre, has people coming there to worship and serve God who are Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Manichaean, Pagan, etc.

Manichaeans eh? Do you mind saying which country this place is in?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Hello everybody .

EDITED to add:

I am in discuss with some members , they deny that their body is desinged , and all species,plants...are designed or created,maybe to skip the question "who designed us,and all this life?"

I do believe that it's fact to me and to many people,it's maybe sounds crazy to deny this clear fact, which we are see it and living in it,through it !

Please vote,then explain your opinion
Thanks in advance

Salaam,

Can I just get some clarification from you first? Do you mean designed/created by God (as you understand God)?

Wassalaam

 

[gnostic]

Manichaeans eh? Do you mind saying which country this place is in?

Manichaeism originated in Persia, during the early Sassanid empire (3rd century ce).

It is a Persian version of Gnosticism.

 

[Kirran]

Manichaeans eh? Do you mind saying which country this place is in?

There is some discussion as to whether Wales qualifies as a country or not

A Manichaean gentleman I know associates it more with Zoroastrianism than with Gnosticism.

 

[Etritonakin]

If we consider DNA-based evolution as a whole -and even assume no self-aware creative influence before man -evolution would be something which produced life forms with increasing power over evolution and everything else -including the ability to cease evolution or to decide its future course. So -evolution would have produced beings with increasingly-God-like abilities which could potentially even opt out of DNA-based evolution (considering no other factors) -design invulnerable bodies, etc.
Our concept of an all-powerful "God" might then be evolution pointing us beyond itself.
Or.... Perhaps we know something -perceive something -without being able to explain it yet.

If we consider that which made DNA-based evolution -as well as a presently unimaginably vast environment for it -possible -that being what is presently called the Big Bang -then we might say that it is natural for nature to produce that which may decide its course intelligently, creatively and with self-awareness.

If we consider that which existed before the Big Bang, perhaps we would eventually find that it was too simple to have caused the Big Bang without first developing into a complex creative self-aware intelligence -or that the environment must have developed in tandem with and by such.
There is potential and designation -and increasingly-complex arrangements of such.

Everything HAS design -is OF a certain design -and so MUST have a DESIGNER of SOME description capable of producing that design -whether self-aware or not.
A seed, for example, is the designer of that which it produces -and that which produced the seed was its designer -etc., etc.
So -it is logical that designer and design increase in complexity together.

With increased creative power, a self-aware designer can become more removed from the intended end-result -working through many things to accomplish that result.
(It is also true that some designs are not possible unless preceded by certain levels of self-awareness, creativity, capability, etc....)
So... That fact that the human body is the result of natural processes does not mean it was not designed. It was certainly designed in the most simple sense -and the absence of an immediately-apparent, self-aware, intelligent creative designer may actually be indicative of its extreme capability.

 

[Shad]

Prove me wrong.

Rivers, mountains to name a few.

Shifting the burden of proof but I played along anyways.

 

[Godobeyer]

"He let living things evolve" - that's what the video says.

,He created them first,then let them evolve.

Evolution doesn't address the origins of life. So no, of course not. That wouldn't make any sense.

I know.

Right, but what I'm asking is for you to point out to me when it was you feel I insulted you. We have spoken quite a bit here so if you could point to the message then I will gladly address it. I wouldn't have been trying to insult you.

It's insult to me to ask me to stop including you "about imagination of creation". despite we supposed share almost the same view about imagination about God/creation.

 

[Godobeyer]

Rivers, mountains to name a few.

Shifting the burden of proof but I played along anyways.

Rivers,or source of water,and rain.

mountains formed by Lava.or earth crack.

is this puzzle games ?

 

[Kirran]

,He created them first,then let them evolve.

Well this is your assertion rather than anything from the video or my own understandings. I don't believe God is so limited for it to be creation as some event in time after which things transpire. Creation is happening now. This moment is the moment of creation. As are all moments. Within that, we observe certain phenomena, of which evolution is one.

It's insult to me to ask me to stop including you "about imagination of creation". despite we supposed share almost the same view about imagination about God/creation.

Well when you imply or state that evolution goes against theism, I am hardly going to agree, when I am a theist and have a decent understanding of evolution.

 

[Shad]

Rivers,or source of water,and rain.

Design means there is a designer. Rivers are not designed by rain nor water nor are these a designer. Design has purpose. Rain is not capable of this. You are ignorant that terrain plays a role in rivers as well.

mountains formed by Lava.or earth crack.

Which is not a designer nor design

is this puzzle games ?

No it is a language barrier as you have no idea what design means.

 

[Godobeyer]

Well this is your assertion rather than anything from the video or my own understandings. I don't believe God is so limited for it to be creation as some event in time after which things transpire. Creation is happening now. This moment is the moment of creation. As are all moments. Within that, we observe certain phenomena, of which evolution is one.

No it's not my asseration, you lie.
I watched video , animal put by hand by "God" individual.

Well when you imply or state that evolution goes against theism, I am hardly going to agree, when I am a theist and have a decent understanding of evolution.

You lie again.
In that post I made point about imagination creation/origin of life. I don't mention to evolution.

Please respect your self don't put words into my mouth.

 

[Kirran]

No it's not my asseration, you lie.
I watched video , animal put by hand by "God" individual.

Calling someone a liar is quite insulting in English. You may not be aware.

God has hands? I was not aware. A video is an artwork that represents things, it's not like this is how things look.

You lie again.
In that post I made point about imagination creation/origin of life. I don't mention to evolution.

Please respect your self don't put words into my mouth.

Fair enough. We'll have to chalk it up to the language barrier. I certainly haven't been attempting to put words in your mouth.

 

[Godobeyer]

Design means there is a designer. Rivers are not designed by rain nor water nor are these a designer. Design has purpose. Rain is not capable of this. You are ignorant that terrain plays a role in rivers as well.

All world know it's about rain,and water sources,if you have other opinion tell us.

Which is not a designer nor design

I made an exemple.
That's denial, of facts, Geologists how how mountains formed.

No it is a language barrier as you have no idea what design means.

design or form or creat. that's what I mean.