It's just give an opinion,not fact actually. not something can be observed or verified.
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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
- Thread starter Godobeyer
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That's not what I notice, people quote only my post despite they are on disagreeement with each other, this is weird !
for exemple ,you personaly don't quote @Mestemia post to discuss your disagreement about creation. on contrary you rate it
Ah, I see what you mean. You're the OP, you're the one I'm having the discussion with. I'm not gonna have discussions simultaneously with everyone on the thread, I'd never get anything else done.
It was just a definition of the word. Life is a term made up by humans, it doesn't really mean as much as we think it does - so when something fits into this arbitrary category we call it living. That transition one might call abiogenesis. It seems to have come about due to the accumulation of potentially self-replicating molecules, in particular ribonucleic acid (RNA) complexed with lipids. Over time these structures became more complex and variation set in as a result of the emergence of information-encoding properties within the RNA. Being unstable, RNA was eventually replaced by DNA as the main coding substrate, with RNA acting mostly as an intermediate in protein production and in regulation.
You'll think that regardless of facts.
Good that you see what I mean
I did not make rule or condition that people ONLY target me, even if they on disagreement, did I ?
Please by short and direct answsers
Is that happened in lab , life form come from non-living ?
Can non-life form become a proteint "DNA" ?
Good that you see what I mean
I did not make rule or condition that people ONLY target me, even if they on disagreement, did I ?
Nope.
Please by short and direct answsers
Is that happened in lab , life form come from non-living ?
If you don't understand a response of mine, feel free to ask for clarification of specific parts.
No, it hasn't been observed in a lab, although individual parts of the process have (the formation of organic molecules has been demonstrated many decades ago). Of course, we also haven't demonstrated star formation in the lab, but we're sure it happens anyway!
A protein? Or DNA? These are very different substances. Yes to both. We have observed non-organic formation of amino acids, the components of proteins. We have also demonstrated the non-organic formation of RNA, a simpler form of DNA, and the building blocks of DNA itself as well.
Since you seem very comfortable making these sorts of categorical statements, I think it would be appropriate for you to tell us -- which sciences are your post-doctoral degrees in exactly?
That's what recently happened
So we are talking about theory. not fact.
formation of star could be observe by telescopes not lab, it's other issue!
I know proteint contain DNA , so as I understand it it's just about mix the components of proteins, to Got proteins ...etc !
That's what recently happened
Cool!
No it can't, there hasn't been enough time for us to observe star formation and maturation. We observe what is there, and then from that we can figure out how star maturation works. We can't observe it directly in its entirety because these processes take billions of years. Just like some other processes!
No, proteins do not contain DNA.
DNA stands for deoxyribonucleic acid. It is an acid composed of four nucleotide bases (adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine), phosphate and a sugar called deoxyribose. The order in which the bases are arranged encodes information when it's in the information-processing system of a cell - the order of bases is copied into another molecule, RNA, by the processing apparatus of a cell. The order of the bases then impacts what order amino acids are placed in in the manufacturing of proteins.
Proteins are chains of amino acids, of which there are around 20. These are essential to the functioning of a cell at all levels.
Lipids, which are fatty acids or things that come from fatty acids, are also essential to a cell, as they make up the membranes which separate different compartments within a cell and the cell from the outside world.
Small metabolites and other substances are also involved.
You are wrong,actualy the scientists did observe star formation, just update your information.
Astronomers witness birth of Milky Way’s most massive star
http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/astronomers-witness-birth-of-milky-ways-most-massive-star
I meant proteins carry DNA .
Ah, a nice observation! Did you read the article? The title is sensationalist, the actual process of birth of a star takes a long time - if you see this quote from the article - "This cloud is expected to form at least one star 100 times more massive than the Sun and up to a million times brighter." You can see that what's been observed is a cloud in which the process of star formation is underway.
They carry DNA? What do you mean by that? I don't think there's a valid sense in which they do. Do you know anything about cellular biology?
You need to live "long time" to obseve all formation, I was talking they observe how it's formed instantly.
That's does not deny the fact they observe the moment of birth, we don't observe the moment of birth of any specie by theory of abiogenesis.
I do believe creation/origin of life is more complex than our knowledge, it's not about long time.
You said proteint don't contain DNA, which I disagree with, every peice of our body contain/carry DNA.
No, they didn't observe how it formed instantly. Stars don't form instantly. You clearly did not read or did not understand the article. The article's text shows you are wrong here.
Right, a species is a human construct. And the emergence of species is not the remit of abiogenesis, that's something else.
Yeah, it's complex stuff man.
Every cell (except some red blood cells and other specialised types) contains DNA and protein. That doesn't mean that protein contains DNA, that's laughably incorrect to anybody who has a high school understanding of biology.
Do you understand what protein is?
I was refereing to moment of creation/formation.
We don't observe the birth of new specie by theory of abiogenesis.
Idea of my thread is about human creation,that why I missundersood you
It's new information you insert about not every proteint contain DNA.
What kind of proteints(meat) don't contain DNA ?
Just curious why this fact (DNA) is not impressive to atheists !
The moment of formation of a star? Right, there is no one moment.
No, we don't observe the birth of new species by abiogenesis. That is not what abiogenesis is.
What is a species? Can you define it? Hint: it doesn't really exist outside our various definitions.
Idea of my thread is about human creation,that why I missundersood you
It's new information you insert about not every proteint contain DNA.
What kind of proteints(meat) don't contain DNA ?
Just curious why this fact (DNA) is not impressive to atheists !
What are you talking about? Protein is not meat. Proteins (link to Wikipedia) are molecules made of amino acids. Animal tissue ("meat") is composed of proteins (link to another website), lipids, acids, metabolites etc
Is any biology at all taught in schools in Algeria? I'm not trying to be rude, but in schools in this country we know more than this about biology by the time we are about 13 years old.
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Abiogenesis is a very broad term. It is the emergence of life from non-life.
In biology, abiogenesis is an observed fact, and biology proposes mechanisms, but no agent. The mechanisms don't require an agent.
In Islam, abiogenesis is an observed fact, and Islam proposes an agent, but no mechanism.
If you believe life exists, and if you believe there was ever a time without life, then you believe in abiogenesis.
DNA and Protein: DNA "codes" for proteins, it's a blueprint for the production of protein. DNA is not a protein, and protein is not DNA.
Proteins are made as ribosomes zip along open strands of DNA. They "poop out" strands of whatever protein that section of nucleic acid codes for. You can watch these 'tails' of protein growing as they zip along, under the microscope. Anyone who's taken microbiology has at least seen films of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosome
In biology, abiogenesis is an observed fact, and biology proposes mechanisms, but no agent. The mechanisms don't require an agent.
In Islam, abiogenesis is an observed fact, and Islam proposes an agent, but no mechanism.
If you believe life exists, and if you believe there was ever a time without life, then you believe in abiogenesis.
DNA and Protein: DNA "codes" for proteins, it's a blueprint for the production of protein. DNA is not a protein, and protein is not DNA.
Proteins are made as ribosomes zip along open strands of DNA. They "poop out" strands of whatever protein that section of nucleic acid codes for. You can watch these 'tails' of protein growing as they zip along, under the microscope. Anyone who's taken microbiology has at least seen films of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosome
OK, Here's an interesting article on abiogenic research from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161026-the-secret-of-how-life-on-earth-began
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161026-the-secret-of-how-life-on-earth-began
Shad
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Water does not produce carbon which we require to live. Your lack of education in biology is causing you to create nonsense and baseless claims. Beside thinking water is a primarily element humans are made of predate Islam by centuries. It is also easily observed as we drink water all the time or we die. Anaximander thought along these lines centuries before Islam. Never mind the Quran also states humans were created with mud or clay which again was an idea that predates Islam by centuries.
Repeating ideas that already exist is nothing special nor divine. Containing water does not equal created from water. Again we are carbon based life-forms not water. You have only demonstrated your lack of knowledge.
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In that video.
The point is water is source of life of humans and species and plants.
As I know that scientists search to water in ouside universe in planets,so could be a sign of life.
Shad
Veteran Member
Which was already an idea which predates Islam by centuries
As water is required to sustain life as we know it. You can throw all the water you want around but without carbon there is no life. Carbon bonds are basic bonds of life, not water. Again you merely demonstrate your lack of knowledge.
I don't believe that abiogenesis is creat a life (male/female),without Prior Plan.
As theory of origin of life is not fact,it's closer to theory,opinion.
I don't know how to explain " prior plan" insallation of aircraft pieces .
Islam said Allah is Creator,who give the prior plan of bodies.
abiogenesis can't form life.
abiogenesis don't observe/explain how the first "cell" ever got encode by DNA ?
first "cell" would not encoded by it self,and encode blueprint of cells to build bodies.
cells don't have backup intellegent.
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