they observe the moment they formed, that what I meant.
unlike theory of abiogenesis don't observe the moment of birth of new specie.
both take long time.
This is my point .
Ok jump it
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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
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unlike theory of abiogenesis don't observe the moment of birth of new specie.
both take long time.
Ok jump it
No they didn't. They observed stars in the process of formation. Just as we observe species in the process of formation. Species aren't discrete across time, and often not across space.
Also, again, abiogenesis isn't about the formation of new species.
Also, 'specie' is not a word. It's species. One species, two species. Same word.
When I read NASA title :
NASA’s Hubble Finds Evidence of Galaxy Star Birth Regulated by Black-Hole Fountain
Then I read your comment,I feel like that NASA was lieing,by saying STAR BIRTH.
We can observe star birth,which is which NASA prove you wrong.
NASA’s Hubble Finds Evidence of Galaxy Star Birth Regulated by Black-Hole Fountain
Then I read your comment,I feel like that NASA was lieing,by saying STAR BIRTH.
No,not the same way,stars created from outside of it, not reproduction.
We can observe star birth,which is which NASA prove you wrong.
Yeah,it's like you saying theory of abiogenesis is exclusive for outdated/dated species!
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"Evidence of Star Birth" not "Observation of One Moment in Which a Star is Born".
Stars created from outside of it? Outside of what?
You just haven't fully comprehended these articles.
Abiogenesis doesn't happen separately for each species.
No it's not one moment, I meant moment of birth.
https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/how-do-stars-form-and-evolve
Stars are born within the clouds of dust and scattered throughout most galaxies
(Notice I mean origin of life).
Why not ?!
Yeah, right, they're born from clouds of dust. But there's no one moment we can observe, we can only observe the processes as they are underway and figure out the rest based on that. Same as evolution.
What do you mean? In biology there has been an understanding for over a century that all life forms share a common ancestor.
I meant by moment , period of the creation.
That was my new idea,I will make a thread about soon,Inshallah.
OK, there is no one moment of creation of a star. Think of this as being like, they saw a photo of a car factory - there is no one thing they can point at to say 'Ah yes, that's the moment of birth of a car'. But they've seen various stages of it happening, so they can have a think and figure out what's going on and how the process works.
Generally, this is true of species as well.
That was my new idea,I will make a thread about soon,Inshallah.
Good luck.
I do consider the period of stars creation , is close to abiogenesis of specie (origin of life).
Thanks
OK, I can see the analogy. But look, you need to understand this one - there is no "abiogenesis of species". There is the origin of life (AKA abiogenesis), and then there is the emergence of species from that ancestral lifeform via the process of evolution. Species are not born by abiogenesis. The emergence of species is variation among lifeforms. Abiogenesis is about how lifeforms started in the first place.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Only in specifics. It takes quite a bit of stretching, but the gist can work as a similarity.
Besides, how Adam and Eve got on the planet Earth makes no difference to me. The plot went on regardless.
Not necessarily.
"They" have valid evidence. You? Not so much.
The language barrier just makes it harder. Honestly, people have been cutting you some slack because you don't have a handle on our language and therefore will have trouble understanding scientific resources in our language.
Artificial gene synthesis
Not even egg hatching or live births of living creatures are instaneous, so why must a star's birth be?
It's more about speciation! Both are phenomena which we can't exactly observe due to the time scales involved. We can only see things in their current state of affairs, and from that extrapolate that these processes must be taking place.
Actually, the same principles govern the accumulation of red and white dwarf stars as evolution - the more stable and long-lived forms become more numerous over time.
Shad
Veteran Member
Irrelevant. Such ideas predate Islam by centuries. Calling water an element aligns with idea predating Islam that water is an actual element. It's not but the idea existed.
Islam as faith (submission to God,monotheism) is exist before prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
As label exist before more than 1400 years ago.
I see no problem.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Had an idea the other day.
Humans are essentially mass-produced creators -and previous earthly life forms are also mass-produced and have various levels of awareness, self-awareness, creativity, etc.
They did not have to do the work, as it were.
I was thinking that it might have been necessary for an original self-awareness to have first made something of itself -becoming capable of doing the work necessary for our initial individual initial state for us -before such mass-production was possible -even if our state was by way of evolution alone since the big bang.
Just an idea at present.
Humans are essentially mass-produced creators -and previous earthly life forms are also mass-produced and have various levels of awareness, self-awareness, creativity, etc.
They did not have to do the work, as it were.
I was thinking that it might have been necessary for an original self-awareness to have first made something of itself -becoming capable of doing the work necessary for our initial individual initial state for us -before such mass-production was possible -even if our state was by way of evolution alone since the big bang.
Just an idea at present.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
My mom and pa had the blueprints. They together put in some effort to create and design me (thankful for that).
Shad
Veteran Member
That is not Islam the religion nor the central text of Islam.
So you need to know what "Islam" word meaning first.
Shad
Veteran Member
Irrelevant as we are talking about the religion Islam not what how you can apply the word outside of Islam the religion.