Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Godobeyer]

Irrelevant as we are talking about the religion Islam not what how you can apply the word outside of Islam the religion.

Yeah, what mean word "Islam" in Arabic ?

 

[Shad]

Yeah, what mean word "Islam" in Arabic ?

Irrelevant as we are talking about the religion not the definition of a word. You are using Islam as an umbrella term divorced from Islam the religion.

 

[Godobeyer]

Irrelevant as we are talking about the religion not the definition of a word. You are using Islam as an umbrella term divorced from Islam the religion.

Islam is name of religion, that name had meaning.

 

[Shad]

Islam is name of religion, that name had meaning.

Irrelevant as Islam's statement of belief includes terms which are not applicable to other religions.

 

[Godobeyer]

Irrelevant as Islam's statement of belief includes terms which are not applicable to other religions.

You just keep taking blah blah highway.

 

[Shad]

You just keep taking blah blah highway.

You keep projecting Islam on to other religions to score points, nothing more.

 

[Kirran]

@Godobeyer do you recognise the distinction between Islam as a general term meaning submission to God and Islam as a term referring to the tradition founded 1400 years ago by Muhammad which is centred on the Qur'an? Shad is trying to talk to you about the second one, not the first.

 

[Godobeyer]

You keep projecting Islam on to other religions to score points, nothing more.

What score ,and points you are talking about !!, please I don't have time to this non sense of discuss.

 

[Godobeyer]

@Godobeyer do you recognise the distinction between Islam as a general term meaning submission to God and Islam as a term referring to the tradition founded 1400 years ago by Muhammad which is centred on the Qur'an? Shad is trying to talk to you about the second one, not the first.

What I try to say.
Submission/obeying in one God , is exist before Muhammad(pbuh).

 

[Shad]

What score ,and points you are talking about !!, please I don't have time to this non sense of discuss.

You are taking Islam as a simplified definition the applying it to other religions in order to create an idea that those people are similar to Muslims. This is simply parallelism of the worst kind.

 

[Shad]

What I try to say.
Submission/obeying in one God , is exist before Muhammad(pbuh).

So what, they weren't Muslim as to be a Muslim one has to do more than have a belief. Such as the Shahada

 

[Godobeyer]

You are taking Islam as a simplified definition the applying it to other religions in order to create an idea that those people are similar to Muslims. This is simply parallelism of the worst kind.

For exemple: Jews and Muslims are share almost the same view about God. where is the problem on that ?

All monotheism religions may share the same beliefs.

 

[Godobeyer]

So what, they weren't Muslim as to be a Muslim one has to do more than have a belief. Such as the Shahada

Yeah, but they are submission through their belief,
That my point.

 

[Kirran]

Yeah, but they are submission by through their belief,
That my point.

Right, we get that in Islam you refer to all these traditions as being Islam in that they were about submission. But you also understand that there is a tradition which we call Islam that started 1400 years centred on the Qur'an.

Can we say like Islam (submission) and Islam (religion) to separate them?

 

[Godobeyer]

Right, we get that in Islam you refer to all these traditions as being Islam in that they were about submission. But you also understand that there is a tradition which we call Islam that started 1400 years centred on the Qur'an.

Can we say like Islam (submission) and Islam (religion) to separate them?

Yeah,now you get my point

There is islam word means submission,and Islam religion means submit to God through accepting Muhammad(pbuh) and Quran teaching ...etc

 

[Kirran]

Yeah,now you get my point

There is islam word means submission,and Islam religion means submit to God through accepting Muhammad(pbuh) and Quran teaching ...etc

Yeah, totally. That was the point I was making too. Everyone knows that. So we need to know when we're talking about it as the word or the religion.

 

[Shad]

For exemple: Jews and Muslims are share almost the same view about God. where is the problem on that ?

The differences matter.

All monotheism religions may share the same beliefs.

Irrelevant when the differences show this is not the case. This is parallelism and oversimplification, nothing more

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah, totally. That was the point I was making too. Everyone knows that. So we need to know when we're talking about it as the word or the religion.

Plus we Muslims believe that Islam started "as faith" (submission to Allah),not name began with Adam(pbuh) and Eve (pbuh), all prophets and messangers Noah(pbuh) and Abraham(pbuh) ....etc are Muslims(they submited to Allah)

 

[Shad]

Plus we Muslims believe that Islam started "as faith" (submission to Allah),not name began with Adam(pbuh) and Eve (pbuh), all prophets and messangers Noah(pbuh) and Abraham(pbuh) ....etc are Muslims(they submited to Allah)

And the exact scoring of points I was talking about.

 

[Godobeyer]

The differences matter.

In God,there is some some, as one Creator,powerfull, I don't think there is difference

Irrelevant when the differences show this is not the case. This is parallelism and oversimplification, nothing more

I hope my discuss with @Kirran help.