Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Shad]

In God,there is some some, as one Creator,powerfull, I don't think there is difference

That is an oversimplification as in one religion this God is a trinity, had a "son", etc. In another religion this God sent certain prophets which are rejected by another religion.

I hope my discuss with @Kirran help.

Nope as you made the exact scoring of points I was talking about. You take the definition of Islam as a word not a religion. You then change how you are using this word to mean Islam the religion later.

"we Muslims believe that Islam started "as faith""

This is that change from merely a definition to a religion

 

[Godobeyer]

And the exact scoring of points I was talking about.

Again ! scoring of points lol

I feel that we are in soccer match !

 

[Shad]

Again ! scoring of points lol

I feel that we are in soccer match !

Since you are attempting to argument for Islam your side in this match is Islam. However you have "scored" in a dishonest manner as you change what you mean by Islam merely to score this point. You have equivocated which is fallacious, nothing more.

 

[Godobeyer]

That is an oversimplification as in one religion this God is a trinity, had a "son", etc. In another religion this God sent certain prophets which are rejected by another religion.

That's difference.
I was speaking about how they believe in God as Creator and as ONE, and powerful.

Nope as you made the exact scoring of points I was talking about. You take the definition of Islam as a word not a religion. You then change how you are using this word to mean Islam the religion later.

"we Muslims believe that Islam started "as faith""

This is that change from merely a definition to a religion

I am not scoring points I explain how our view/belief.

 

[Kirran]

@Godobeyer Shad already understood the points we talked about. There are just communication issues.

From now on can you separate the definitions? Can you say Islam (submission) and Islam (religion) so we are clear on what you are talking about?

 

[McBell]

@Godobeyer Shad already understood the points we talked about. There are just communication issues.

From now on can you separate the definitions? Can you say Islam (submission) and Islam (religion) so we are clear on what you are talking about?

Seems to me, that in his mind, there is no difference.

 

[Godobeyer]

Since you are attempting to argument for Islam your side in this match is Islam. However you have "scored" in a dishonest manner as you change what you mean by Islam merely to score this point. You have equivocated which is fallacious, nothing more.

I don't score point.

 

[Shad]

That's difference.
I was speaking about how they believe in God as Creator and as ONE, and powerful.

Yes as focusing on the differences rather than ignoring each would render your argument moot....

I am not scoring points I explain how our view/belief.

Yes which assimilates traditions as if factual views rather than tradition based.

 

[Kirran]

Seems to me, that in his mind, there is no difference.

Nah I think he does get the difference. He just finds it hard to separate them in discussion, and he doesn't think the people he's talking to understand the issue so he feels the need to use both definitions in an attempt to make it clear that they think pre-Islamic figures are Muslim, and how/why they think this.

 

[Shad]

Seems to me, that in his mind, there is no difference.

Wrong. I understod the difference. I was pointing out the inevitable switching of definition from Islam (not a religion) to Islam (a religion) which I saw coming as soon as that line of posts started. It is a typical argument repeated over and over with the same flaws.

 

[McBell]

Nah I think he does get the difference. He just finds it hard to separate them in discussion, and he doesn't think the people he's talking to understand the issue so he feels the need to use both definitions in an attempt to make it clear that they think pre-Islamic figures are Muslim, and how/why they think this.

OK, let me rephrase.
I suspect that he sees them the same in all practical purposes.

Like the discussion you all had over the word "form"....

 

[McBell]

Wrong. I understod the difference. I was pointing out the inevitable switching of definition from Islam (not a religion) to Islam (a religion) which I saw coming as soon as that line of posts started. It is a typical argument repeated over and over with the same flaws.

I was referring to godobeyer, not you

 

[Shad]

Nah I think he does get the difference. He just finds it hard to separate them in discussion, and he doesn't think the people he's talking to understand the issue so he feels the need to use both definitions in an attempt to make it clear that they think pre-Islamic figures are Muslim, and how/why they think this.

Wrong. I was heading off an argument I saw coming as it is a typical argument I see from Muslims all the time. I pointed out the exact switch I was talking about.

(sorry I thought this was directed at me as the "he")

 

[Godobeyer]

@Godobeyer Shad already understood the points we talked about. There are just communication issues.

From now on can you separate the definitions? Can you say Islam (submission) and Islam (religion) so we are clear on what you are talking about?

Religion and word ?
I do seperated them.

Here is the point , we believe that all prophets were Muslims (submit to God), where is the problem in this ?

Exactly as the Christians,Jews believe that all messangers were from God.

 

[Shad]

I was referring to godobeyer, not you

Oh sorry I should of read further back in the chain of relies. Assumption on my part.

 

[Godobeyer]

I was referring to godobeyer, not you

I know I am your target always

 

[Shad]

Religion and word ?
I do seperated them.

Here is the point , we believe that all prophets were Muslims (submit to God), where is the problem in this ?

Exactly as the Christians,Jews believe that all messangers were from God.

Belief does not mean it is true. I am pointing out that you have a tradition that is based on assimilation and adaption after these people existed. This is no different than Baha'i assimilating Muhammad which you mostly likely reject.

 

[McBell]

I know I am your target always

I understand that you are unable to see a compliment for what it is.
Especially if said compliment is from an atheist like me.

 

[Kirran]

OK, let me rephrase.
I suspect that he sees them the same in all practical purposes.

Like the discussion you all had over the word "form"....

Yeah, maybe so.

Oh man, that was some other level thing. Let's not relive it.

Religion and word ?
I do seperated them.

Here is the point , we believe that all prophets were Muslims (submit to God), where is the problem in this ?

Exactly as the Christians,Jews believe that all messangers were from God.

Right, but can you do it when you're talking? To make it clearer?

There's no problem in that, why would there be? By that definition, I am a Muslim. I am a Muslim by word but not religion

 

[McBell]

Oh sorry I should of read further back in the chain of relies. Assumption on my part.

no worries.
Looking back I can see how you would think I was referring to you.