Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Godobeyer]

By statistics of world religions, we have no idea. Because the number of people who believe something has no impact on whether it is true.

I don't care about if they true,or not, get it ?
they are majority.

We have no idea about what ?

I think you are believe in Creator, and creation !
So why your dishonesty is actived again and always to please people"show up" ?

Honestly,What's the wrong with you,are you ok ?

 

[Kirran]

I don't care about if they true,or not, get it ?
they are majority.

We have no idea about what ?

I think you are believe in Creator, and creation !
So why your dishonesty is actived again and always to please people"show up" ?

Honestly,What's the wrong with you,are you ok ?

Much of what you say doesn't make sense. Yeah, the majority of people probably believe in creation to some degree. Although in Eastern philosophies such as my own the idea of eternal and cyclic universes on the grander scale is more common than simplistic one-time-external-creation models such as that frequent within the Abrahamic traditions.

I have said nothing dishonest. Nothing is wrong with me, thankyou very much.

You didn't used to be as rude as this.

 

[Shad]

That side also claims the opposing views, and that includes the absence of a creator. They also attack the structure and premises of the opposing arguments. There is no need for a side to claim superior and perfect, you know.

Irrelevant and missing the point. The watchmaker argument has been refuted for years now hence why it is used as a lesson in philosophy and logic classes to teach student how to spot faulty logic.

That's what you say about it. The other side say the exact same thing on other opposing views, or on those claimed objections.

The other sides views are irrelevant and not taught in academia.

Relax, it is nothing to get so worked up against.

I am relaxed. I am just pointing out you have no idea what you are talking about

It's just what different people have in their minds.

Irrelevant

Like for example, you keep mentioning logic, and logic of so many people says nothing at all, including beings, can exist without who makes it.

Hardly. Ever been to a doctor? They use logic in their evaluation of your health and any illness you may have. Besides people living without it is one reason people are gulibile and irrational. It is not something to be proud of.

Just claiming one's own objections/proof as logic, does not necessarily mean it is a definitive logic.

The objections show the errors not merely claim.

It's okay, no need to get so serious over it. Life is beautiful, you know.

So is knowing what you are talking about. Seen that beauty yet?

 

[Shad]

Oh yeah, Christianity's the biggest religion by hundreds of millions, I have no real doubt. Stats are 2.1 billion Christians and 1.6 billion Muslims. More nominals in the former than the latter (which is where G bases his argument) but not enough to tip the scales.

People use nominal to create a caricature that just because people are not fundamentalist in practice they are less Christian then those that are. It is a term created by fundamentalist.

 

[Shad]

But you know what I meant right?

Nope since you switch to a word that makes your sentences incoherant.

There in no single thing creat it self....is this satisfy you?

Assertion, nothing more. You certainty have not discovered everything in the universe to make this claim. People far more educated than you do not make this claim.

 

[Shad]

You did not discovered that you are created !

Never said that.

So Why you want discover everything in universe?

Since you make an absolute claim yet no human has such a level of knowledge about the universe. So your claim nonsense.

 

[Shad]

I don't care about if they true,or not, get it ?
they are majority.

You did care as you tried to use democracy as a basis of truth. You only say you do not care now after your horrible argument collapsed while also being used against your religion.

 

[Kirran]

People use nominal to create a caricature that just because people are not fundamentalist in practice they are less Christian then those that are. It is a term created by fundamentalist.

I know people who have no religiosity, who don't believe in God, who don't participate in Christian tradition, who'll tick Christian on a form cos it's 'normal'. A friend of mine said that to me explicitly. While no doubt what you're talking about relates to a real phenomenon, nominalism is also a thing.

 

[Shad]

I know people who have no religiosity, who don't believe in God, who don't participate in Christian tradition, who'll tick Christian on a form cos it's 'normal'.

That is not nominal that is faking it.

A friend of mine said that to me explicitly. While no doubt what you're talking about relates to a real phenomenon, nominalism is also a thing.

Your friend is confusing nominal with faking it.

 

[Kirran]

That is not nominal that is faking it.

Your friend is confusing nominal with faking it.

If you say so, but this is a widespread phenomenon - agnostics checking Christian on forms cos it's normal.

 

[Shad]

If you say so, but this is a widespread phenomenon - agnostics checking Christian on forms cos it's normal.

That is social pressure.

 

[Kirran]

That is social pressure.

May well be, yeah. Good diagnosis.

 

[Godobeyer]

Much of what you say doesn't make sense. Yeah, the majority of people probably believe in creation to some degree.

You just said "probably", are not you sure ? really ? !
This is my point, why you was disagree ?

It was not my point that they believe on earth is flat....I was discuss the point of "creation/Creator",ok ?

I have said nothing dishonest. Nothing is wrong with me, thankyou very much.

You didn't used to be as rude as this.

Because you made me understood that you critizised your "belief" : CREATION/CREATOR, to please the others,that's definitly dishonest,get it ?

It's like someone insulting his belief !

 

[Kirran]

You just said "probably", are not you sure ? really ? !
This is my point, why you was disagree ?

It was not my point that they believe on earth is flat.

It's not so much that I'm not sure, as that the issue is not as black-and-white as you make out. Many people are neither (a) fundamentalist Abrahamics or (b) materialist-atheists. Where do you fit in cyclic views of the universe such as are common in Hindu and Buddhist cosmologies? What about the three-level understanding of Advaita Vedanta, or understandings found in Zen Buddhism? Is this a belief in creation, or not?

Your point was that the fact the majority of people believe something has some kind of significance.

Because you made me understood that you critizised your "belief" : CREATION/CREATOR, to please the others,that's definitly dishonest,get it ?

I can sort of understand your train of thought. How it relates to what was actually being said is beyond me.

If I was trying to please people, I wouldn't disagree with you, because I'd want to please you.

 

[Godobeyer]

Nope since you switch to a word that makes your sentences incoherant.

I am sure that you knewn what I meant.

Assertion, nothing more. You certainty have not discovered everything in the universe to make this claim. People far more educated than you do not make this claim.

What claim ?

 

[Godobeyer]

It's not so much that I'm not sure, as that the issue is not as black-and-white as you make out. Many people are neither (a) fundamentalist Abrahamics or (b) materialist-atheists. Where do you fit in cyclic views of the universe such as are common in Hindu and Buddhist cosmologies?

Your point was that the fact the majority of people believe something has some kind of significance.

You are not sure that theists are more than atheists? I bet this is kind of dishonest !
because you always used to post population of religions as arguments, 2.2 billions of Christians and 1.6 billions Muslims ...etc

For concept "creation and Creator", That's most of religions based on, and most of world population.

Include your religion.

I can sort of understand your train of thought. How it relates to what was actually being said is beyond me.

If I was trying to please people, I wouldn't disagree with you, because I'd want to please you.

You discuss me as someone disagree with me,it's first time I met someone critizise his faith to please the others.

 

[Kirran]

You are not sure that theists are more than atheists? I bet this is kind of dishonest !
because you always used to post population of religions as arguments, 2.2 billions of Christians and 1.6 billions Muslims ...etc

For concept "creation and Creator", That's most of religions based on, and most of world population.

Include your religion.

Theism is not the same as creationism brother.

But as I say, I think you are probably right, it seems likely.

I remain curious - is a cyclic understanding of the universe a creationist or non-creationist view?

You discuss me as someone disagree with me,it's first time I met someone critizise his faith to please the others.

It's the first time I've met someone who doesn't understand what I say so often.

 

[Shad]

I am sure that you knewn what I meant.

Yes and it was a flawed point.

What claim ?

That nothing creates itself. You have not discovered everything thus your basis is inductive not deductive thus can never be a universal statement. You probably have no idea what I am saying since you do not grasp even the basic ideas of the arguments you post. You just repeat them like a parrot.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Irrelevant and missing the point. The watchmaker argument has been refuted for years now hence why it is used as a lesson in philosophy and logic classes to teach student how to spot faulty logic.

The other sides views are irrelevant and not taught in academia.

I am relaxed. I am just pointing out you have no idea what you are talking about

Irrelevant

Hardly. Ever been to a doctor? They use logic in their evaluation of your health and any illness you may have. Besides people living without it is one reason people are gulibile and irrational. It is not something to be proud of.

The objections show the errors not merely claim.

So is knowing what you are talking about. Seen that beauty yet?

Yes, it is easy to call up irrelevance. Thinking that opposing that the human body was designed by a creator is okay (by the side of those saying the body was not designed by a creator), but thinking that arguing the claims saying there are errors in the logic behind it as irrelevant (by the side of who says the body was designed by a creator) is ignorance, gullibility, irrationality, lack of common sense, and not knowing what one is talking about. An academia that allows this, does not even deserve to be called academia. The former side (in red above) think they refuted that the body was designed by a creator and come up with philosophies for it. Doing that does not necessarily prove anything. Some sides keep complaining why other sides don't like arguments, but when they face it, they don't like it. They need to chill.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes .

Anyway I salute your honesty

That nothing creates itself. You have not discovered everything thus your basis is inductive not deductive thus can never be a universal statement. You probably have no idea what I am saying since you do not grasp even the basic ideas of the arguments you post. You just repeat them like a parrot.

nothing creates itself is fact.
I discovered that my body could not created it self.
Second that called believe,I just try to explain it to you nothing more,why should convince the world about my beliefs?

You did not answer my question by clear way,why should I discover everything,despite I believed that I am created ?