Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Shad]

They believes it's true, why they should convinced others by?

That wasn't my point. The majority of people being theists does not make them nor their belief correct.

That's democraty. majority always win.

Democracy does not apply here as it a system of electing officials not truth. Besides I can turn your own argument against you. Christians outnumber Muslims thus Christianity is true by majority. When are you going to convert and accept Jesus as God?

I await more backpedaling and denial of your own ad populum argument when it does not favour Islam.

 

[Shad]

Hahaha, man, you can't be serious? Go back 3000 years and the majority of people thought the Earth was flat, didn't make it true.

What about when the majority were polytheist? Monotheism is in trouble!

 

[Kirran]

What about when the majority were polytheist? Monotheism is in trouble!

Maybe there were multiple gods for a while, then people changed their mind and most of them disappeared. Something like that.

By the way, Godobeyer is adamant that there are more Muslims than Christians. This is in spite of various evidence regarding the level of religiosity in Western countries and the fact that the majority of Christians by a large margin do not live in the West. So that will get you nowhere.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Objection which refuted points shows that the argument has been refuted as it points out error in the logic of the argument not merely a belief. Logic is method not a belief.

It's okay. The other side says the exact same thing you're saying above to your side. I made a mistake in my last post; I should have said "things said to be refuted" or something like that instead (it's edited already). Accordingly, saying that there are errors, does not necessarily mean that there are indeed errors. And for sake of clarification, this time I'll also include "believing/thinking/being convinced that something got refuted or has errors, does not necessarily mean that they indeed did/do".

 

[Shad]

It's okay. The other side says the exact same thing you're saying above to your side.

Not at all since I am not claiming a creator. I am attacking the structure and premises of the argument.

I made a mistake in my last post; I should have said "things said to be refuted" or something like that instead (it's edited already). Accordingly, saying that there are errors, does not necessarily mean that there are indeed errors. And for sake of clarification, this time I'll also include "believing/thinking/being convinced that something got refuted or has errors, does not necessarily mean that they indeed did/do".

The objections do point out errors in the argument's logic rendering the premises as not supportive for the conclusion. Logic is not a set of beliefs but strict principles and application of these principles. These principles were violated in the argument thus it is invalid and unsound.

 

[Shad]

Maybe there were multiple gods for a while, then people changed their mind and most of them disappeared. Something like that.

I think it was more like a showdown with spaghetti western music. (watching the trilogy today)

By the way, Godobeyer is adamant that there are more Muslims than Christians. This is in spite of various evidence regarding the level of religiosity in Western countries and the fact that the majority of Christians by a large margin do not live in the West. So that will get you nowhere.

Statistic show otherwise regardless of his opinion.

 

[Kirran]

I think it was more like a showdown with spaghetti western music. (watching the trilogy today)

Forums, movies - you're living up this computer thing today brother!

Statistic show otherwise regardless of his opinion.

Facts?!

 

[Shad]

Forums, movies - you're living up this computer thing today brother!

It's been awhile since I have had a day with not a single plan especially a Sunday.

Facts?!

Statistics such as religion can not be reduced to a fact due to the enormity of such polling. However all the statistic I have seen point towards a Christian majority. Pew research center has a number of statistics going back to at least 2012 from based on my causal research.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Everything is designed when there is awareness involved. Patterns emerge even in randomness.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Not at all since I am not claiming a creator. I am attacking the structure and premises of the argument.

That side also claims the opposing views, and that includes the absence of a creator. They also attack the structure and premises of the opposing arguments. There is no need for a side to claim superior and perfect, you know.

The objections do point out errors in the argument's logic rendering the premises as not supportive for the conclusion. Logic is not a set of beliefs but strict principles and application of these principles. These principles were violated in the argument thus it is invalid and unsound.

That's what you say about it. The other side say the exact same thing on other opposing views, or on those claimed objections. Relax, it is nothing to get so worked up against. It's just what different people have in their minds. Like for example, you keep mentioning logic, and logic of so many people says nothing at all, including beings, can exist without who makes it. Just claiming one's own objections/proof as logic, does not necessarily mean it is a definitive logic. It's okay, no need to get so serious over it. Life is beautiful, you know.

 

[Kirran]

It's been awhile since I have had a day with not a single plan especially a Sunday.

Congratulations. I've been writing a dissertation.

Statistics such as religion can not be reduced to a fact due to the enormity of such polling. However all the statistic I have seen point towards a Christian majority. Pew research center has a number of statistics going back to at least 2012 from based on my causal research.

Oh yeah, Christianity's the biggest religion by hundreds of millions, I have no real doubt. Stats are 2.1 billion Christians and 1.6 billion Muslims. More nominals in the former than the latter (which is where G bases his argument) but not enough to tip the scales.

 

[Godobeyer]

Hahaha, man, you can't be serious? Go back 3000 years and the majority of people thought the Earth was flat, didn't make it true.

Before 3000 years Jews were not majority!

Despites different teaching,all religions claim they are correct.
Anyway that's not my point.
I and you and Others theist suppose agree on Creator concept,so we are majority.

Try to please them ?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No, I don't believe in intelligent design, at least not in the Abrahamic interpretation. If it exists, then I have a bone to pick with the designer, because they gave me an innie when I should have an outie.

 

[Godobeyer]

Irrelevant. You are backpedaling to cover up your mistake. Your sentence is incoherent with your replacement.

"There is any thing created by itself"

But you know what I meant right?

There in no single thing creat it self....is this satisfy you?

 

[Kirran]

Before 3000 years Jews were not majority!

Despites different teaching,all religions claim they are correct.
Anyway that's not my point.
I and you and Others theist suppose agree on Creator concept,so we are majority.

Try to please them ?

So what who's the majority? That has no impact on what is true.

 

[Godobeyer]

Based on observations of a sampling of things but not every thing in the universe thus is a inductive conclusion thus you can not say "nothing" unless you have discovered everything. Your point is moot as your logic is flawed.

Do I need to explain the different between inductive and deductive reasoning?

Have we discovered everything in the universe?

You did not discovered that you are created !
So Why you want discover everything in universe?

 

[Godobeyer]

So what who's the majority? That has no impact on what is true.

By Statistics of world religions:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

What's true?

 

[McBell]

By Statistics of world religions:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

What's true?

So you must think Christianity is the truth, right?
I mean, it has the most believers...

 

[Kirran]

By Statistics of world religions:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

What's true?

By statistics of world religions, we have no idea. Because the number of people who believe something has no impact on whether it is true.

 

[Godobeyer]

So you must think Christianity is the truth, right?
I mean, it has the most believers...

We share the point of "Creation"/Creator"
Just keep it in "creation point" of OP, get it ?