Yeah they are associated as you said "all religion had same path,but it's not necessary same goal"
"They are not wrong,but not truth claims."
Sounds crazy right?
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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
- Thread starter Godobeyer
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"They are not wrong,but not truth claims."
Sounds crazy right?
The way you rephrase it, yes.
I didn't say what you said though.
I said all religions have the potential to be a path to the same goal.
I said that a religion is more to me than a set of truth claims or beliefs.
You got me confused by changing your opinion just in few posts over and over..
Not necessarily that all religions do lead to the same place, but that all have the capacity to. Yeah, I pray to God in the way different traditions do it. No problem. There's just a particular way which I am centred in.
You said that we suppose not consider them wrong too, by blame for that !
Aren't you making a judgement to say that's true. You're making the judgement 'Atheism is wrong, Christianity is wrong, Buddhism is wrong, Confucianism is wrong, Daoism is wrong, there is Allah, Allah cares about me, Allah is going to judge at Judgement Day, if I follow Islam then he will judge me well, kuffar will go to hell' etc.
But it's ok that you are critizising "religions" what you called "ideas", still sounds crazy to me and much hypocrisy and dishonesty.
I don't think all other religions are wrong. I think all religions can be valid paths towards one truth. I don't think 'Hinduism is true, Islam/Christianity/Daoism are false', I think all are paths which can lead to God. If done right.
Not necessarily that all religions do lead to the same place, but that all have the capacity to. Yeah, I pray to God in the way different traditions do it. No problem. There's just a particular way which I am centred in.
Here where I got the problem with your switching the speech too.
Not necessarily that all religions do lead to the same place, but that all have the capacity to. Yeah, I pray to God in the way different traditions do it. No problem. There's just a particular way which I am centred in.
Here where I got the problem with your switching the speech too.
I know you have a very strong will, and are a passionate person. But please, take a deep breath, step back, and read things calmly. Don't jump to accusations all the time.
I think all religions can be valid paths towards one truth.
Not necessarily that all religions do lead to the same place, but they have the capacity to. That means they can do.
I don't accept all of any given religion, of course not. I think homophobia enshrined in religion is bad, for example. But I think any religion can be done in a way which leads to truth. For example, there are lots of kinds of Islam, and I think some forms work better than others at bringing you closer to God. Same goes for Christianity, there are different approaches to Christianity, etc.
Here is the problem you accume/blamed before that I believe that "atheism is wrong, Christianity is wrong...." ,
My point is YOU critiziced and criticizing religions so you are not agree with them in some points
Why you blamed me for something you were/are actauly did and doing ?!
Here we go again!
Are you ok ?
I didn't really accuse you, it was more a comment. Yeah, claims and beliefs aren't all there is to a religion, and different forms of a religion have different ideas.
If you were able to understand these sentences properly you could see there isn't a problem at all.
Do you understand 'can be'?
1-you did, you accused me that I judge religions, and called them wrong , when you are also always criticized the religions,which mean you also considered them wrong.
2-can be valid : its mean "very probably valid".
1) I didn't mean to, certainly. There's more to religions than X is true, Y is false etc.
2) No, it doesn't. It just means it's possible. Like a car and a van can both take you to London, but it doesn't mean they will do necessarily, you've got to drive in the right direction.
You did accused me,that me alone judging religions,call them wrong!
Can be valid =/ can't be valid
gnostic
The Lost One
There is places don't required deep to get water,yours will reach the oil
The depth to reach oil, will vary from place to place.
And not all places that you drill, you would find oil. If oil can be found in just any place , don't you think they would find oil in the middle of your suburb or in mine?
Fair enough, I can see how you took offence, so I'm sorry for saying it poorly. I was more meaning it in a spirit of enquiry.
As an answer to the OP, and not as a debate point:
Yup, I know it as a fact. Just as chairs, cars, computers, screw drivers, etc. cannot exist without someone making them, we humans couldn't have existed without a creator/designer. It's weird to me that some people agree that a car cannot exist without a maker but don't agree that we humans came to be without a creator.
Yup, I know it as a fact. Just as chairs, cars, computers, screw drivers, etc. cannot exist without someone making them, we humans couldn't have existed without a creator/designer. It's weird to me that some people agree that a car cannot exist without a maker but don't agree that we humans came to be without a creator.
In general oil is deeper than water.
Shad
Veteran Member
We disagree over the terms used as it can be easily used as a watchmaker analogy in a bait and switch. Which is probably already has been in this thread (speculation). We speculate where this argument is heading as we are familiar with typical setups for the analogy and the OP is just this type of setup.
Your own post shows that you follow the premises of the analogy or argument in comparing things that are known to have a creator/designer then inferring this means there must be a single creator for everything. This argument has been refuted centuries ago.
McBell
Unbound
It is weird to me that so many people cannot see the difference between humans and cars.
I very doubt this true.
This poll don't deny the fact that most of world population are theists.
atheist are very minority.
McBell
Unbound
The watchmaker argument has in fact been refuted.