Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Kirran]

Just save it in your mind , " Godobeyer is not here to convince people about Islam, He is here to explain it"

I am aware!

I posted a wiki link,remember ?

The statistics one? So what do they win? Why is it a competition?

Most of humanity/religion are believe in creation,Creator :"Islam,Christianity,Hinduism....etc"

But not all Muslims, Christians or Hindus reject evolution in favour of simplistic creation narratives. All Muslims and the vast majority of Christians are of course theistic in their understanding of how these things took place.

Some Hindus are atheists though, so you can't generalise about Hindus.

Now you get my point,it's was not about beliefs correct or wrong!

I am Muslim I see all other religion are wrong even in creationism, but we share the "creationism and creator." idealogy, get it ?

Maybe we will prize,who knows

I get that you see the most numerous as winning somehow. I get that you think all other religions (and all variations on your own) are wrong.

 

[viole]

I'm not sure if you're listening to what you are saying. Ridiculing what others believe? What decent person would do that? And why would they in the first place? I don't get it. As people grow up, they should mature more instead of less, and get more awareness and understanding accordingly. I understand if it is "debate", "disagree", "be surprised", "be amazed", or even be "shocked", but "ridicule"? That word is a bad word. Ridicule what one thinks is ridiculous is simply like calling others ugly because one thinks they are ugly. I don't think you or I would appreciate being called ugly if others think we are! (we aren't tho )

By the way, I didn't say to make a straight face. I don't see how that adds to this discussion. I also never said anything about getting offended. That's completely different.



Cool! It just does not fit in our discussion.

I wouldn't ridicule it. I'm better than that. It's just a belief that does not harm others, except maybe if they for some reason decide to get offended over it just for hearing it and cannot make a straight face

I once even said something that a vegetarian/vegan thought was offensive and was honest with me about it, so I apologized and deleted the post. That's me working on becoming more and more of a decent person.

Allrighty. You made me feel bad.

I shall say, from now on, things like: my dear, I am intellectually surprised, amazed and even shocked that you believe that your garden is infested with fairies or that you believe that Jesus took off to Heaven after taking a few days off for the sins we inherited from a dust man and a rib woman convinced by a talking serpent to eat an apple.

Better?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Smart_Guy]

Allrighty. You made me feel bad.

I shall say, from now on, things like: my dear, I am intellectually surprised, amazed and even shocked that you believe that your garden is infested with fairies or that you believe that Jesus took off to Heaven after taking a few days off for the sins we inherited from a dust man and a rib woman convinced by a talking serpent to eat an apple.

Better?

Ciao

- viole

Err... the watermelon?

Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. I didn't mean you in what I said.

 

[viole]

Err... the watermelon?

Watermelon? I do not see a mention of watermelons on my Sunday School notes. Do watermelons grow in trees?

Ciao

- viole

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's over our knowledge,why should be our business!

So then you aren't sure about what you said before?

You said "There is nothing created by it self." If this is true, then God wasn't created by itself.

So... do you really think it's true?

 

[Godobeyer]

I am aware!

Don't worry.

I am not here to please people, or convinced them.

The statistics one? So what do they win? Why is it a competition?

Do you remember illustrate exemple ?
If the atheists will be the majority of world population,it's first time atheism defeat theism. according.

winning the word " more" , "majority" , it's virtual winning.

I do always remember its said Christians are more than Muslims, so they suppose to be the right side.

But not all Muslims, Christians or Hindus reject evolution in favour of simplistic creation narratives. All Muslims and the vast majority of Christians are of course theistic in their understanding of how these things took place.

Some Hindus are atheists though, so you can't generalise about Hindus.

I know we don't share the same understanding of creation, but we do believe in creation, get it ?

I get that you see the most numerous as winning somehow. I get that you think all other religions (and all variations on your own) are wrong.

Yes, I meant numerous about believe in creation vs no creation , get it ?

 

[viole]

Err... the watermelon?

Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. I didn't mean you in what I said.

Why didn't you mean me, since I asserted that all beliefs can be ridiculed? Of course you meant me. It would be irrational to think otherwise.

Oops, I might have pressed he "report" button too soon. Sorry. Lol.

Relax. i was kidding. i told you. There is no way for me to be offended in any way or form. And there is no way for me to feel bad for anything anybody would say. I mean it.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Godobeyer]

So then you aren't sure about what you said before?

You said "There is nothing created by it self." If this is true, then God wasn't created by itself.

So... do you really think it's true?

I did not exception because will ask the same question,which I don't know the it answser,because I personally consider it not my business.

as suppose,If I told you God created by natural selection and accident/Chance "evolution" you will accept it or think about it ?

So take it as you do with your self

 

[Smart_Guy]

Watermelon? I do not see a mention of watermelons on my Sunday School notes. Do watermelons grow in trees?

Ciao

- viole

No, it grows on the ground. You could learn more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon

 

[viole]

No, it grows on the ground. You could learn more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon

But how can the fruit growing on the tree of knowledge of good and evil, actually grow on no tree?

Some sort of inscrutable miracle? Or maybe some sort of meaningful symbolic message?

How am I doing on the non-ridicule front?

Ciao

- viole

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I did not exception because will ask the same question,which I don't know the it answser,because I personally consider it not my business.

But if you were sure when you say thay there is nothing created by itself, then you would be sure that God wasn't created by itself.

...so you don't actually think that nothing is created by itself, are you?

as suppose,If I told you God created by natural selection and accident/Chance "evolution" you will accept it or think about it ?

I wouldn't accept that without a good reason. Nothing that we know suggests that evolution needs a god.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Why didn't you mean me, since I asserted that all beliefs can be ridiculed? Of course you meant me. It would be irrational to think otherwise.

Oops, I might have pressed he "report" button too soon. Sorry. Lol.

Relax. i was kidding. i told you. There is no way for me to be offended in any way or form. And there is no way for me to feel bad for anything anybody would say. I mean it.

Ciao

- viole

I didn't say what I said before making sure you didn't say that you yourself would ridicule a belief. But I admit that my post seemed to imply disrespect. Sorry about that. I apologize for my mistakes, even if the other side did not consider them mistakes.

 

[Smart_Guy]

But how can the fruit growing on the tree of knowledge of good and evil, actually grow on no tree?

Some sort of inscrutable miracle? Or maybe some sort of meaningful symbolic message?

How am I doing on the non-ridicule front?

Ciao

- viole

Watermelon is a vegetable

Err... which non-ridicule front?

 

[viole]

I didn't say what I said before making sure you didn't say that you yourself would ridicule a belief. But I admit that my post seemed to imply disrespect. Sorry about that. I apologize for my mistakes, even if the other side did not consider them mistakes.

Smart, if you were a Catholic, you would probably have been promoted to Saint by now.

Saint Smart. Sounds good. i Am sure you would be the first one.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Kirran]

Don't worry.

I am not here to please people, or convinced them.

Good good.

Do you remember illustrate exemple ?
If the atheists will be the majority of world population,it's first time atheism defeat theism. according.

winning the word " more" , "majority" , it's virtual winning.

I do always remember its said Christians are more than Muslims, so they suppose to be the right side.

Defeat? Win? How?

I know we don't share the same understanding of creation, but we do believe in creation, get it ?

Kinda, yeah, but not all Hindus do at all. Atheist Hindus don't in any way. And Nondualistic Hindus such as myself might just as easily say they do not, as it's largely a matter of semantics.

Yes, I meant numerous about believe in creation vs no creation , get it ?

Yeah, just not the competition part.

 

[viole]

Watermelon is a vegetable

Oh ok. Sure. Sin has being introduced by eating a vegetable, and not some sort of pork chops or steak. We have some theological undeniable consistency here.

Err... which non-ridicule front?

I am trying not to ridicule beliefs. Hard work. How am i doing?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Smart_Guy]

Smart, if you were a Catholic, you would probably have been promoted to Saint by now.

Saint Smart. Sounds good. i Am sure you would be the first one.

Ciao

- viole

Sorry, I don't get your point. I so tired now and can't focus much. It's been a long day for me today.

 

[Animore]

I have just found this thread, and as I do not have two hours to spare looking through each of these posts, I think I will just reply to the OP.

Why should I? There is no evidence for such. The "life is so complex" argument does not hold up in an argument, as evolution is the thing that literally explains why we are so complex. If there was evidence, peer-reviewed, tested evidence, I would believe. But there is nothing that can convince me currently.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Oh ok. Sure. Sin has being introduced by eating a vegetable, and not some sort of pork chops or steak. We have some theological undeniable consistency here.

Okay fine, it's a fruit. I forgive you.

I am trying not to ridicule beliefs. Hard work. How am i doing?

You don't have to try if you don't want/wish to. I didn't mean to impose my "not-ridiculing" belief on you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Do you think or believe that your body was designed-created?

I believe from the point of Logic, every thing was caused to exist because every thing that exists could not have caused itself to exist. Therefore, something that preceded it caused it to exist. Do you believe the universe could have caused itself to exist?

There is another way to think about this, as I learned from Lawrence Kraus. Think of the expression, "Nothing is impossible." It may well be that this is actually the case, if you read it correctly. It might just be that it is impossible for nothing to exist -- that is, existence itself would be meaningless without existence, and existence really does have to be "existence of something."

Now it doesn't really matter what that something looks like, because it seems not unreasonable to suppose that if something exists, then it can (and does) change. So what the essence of our universe might have been like before the big bang -- well who knows?