Logic in this subject is that as other bodies were designed/created, the human body is too. If you want to feel good that it is not, with some excuses of your own understanding of logic or mentioning some philosophies and terminologies, it is your choice. Lifeless seeds grow up to living plants and lifeless eggs hatch to give living animals, with a default similar results for the same species, just like products made of raw material in factories. And even those don't happen point black, but with the presence of some requirements. That's logic. Unless you can actively prove anything can/did clearly become what it is, that is. Otherwise, you can just avoid this by calling it irrelevant too.
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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
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Logic in this subject is that as other bodies were designed/created, the human body is too. If you want to feel good that it is not, with some excuses of your own understanding of logic or mentioning some philosophies and terminologies, it is your choice. Lifeless seeds grow up to living plants and lifeless eggs hatch to give living animals, with a default similar results for the same species, just like products made of raw material in factories. And even those don't happen point black, but with the presence of some requirements. That's logic. Unless you can actively prove anything can/did clearly become what it is, that is. Otherwise, you can just avoid this by calling it irrelevant too.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
And you did take the quick way out, didn't you? If you had postponed your decision, today you would probably know that it was not a joke. At least, you would know what to do about your crooked spine.
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People claim things crazy everytime,everywhere.
I suspect that you had some good information about Islam and Muslims to deny that claim.
I mean do you believe that our first common ancestor was single cell, so go on ?
If someone identifies as something, that is what it is. I am aware most Muslims would not, and one would strongly condemn that person and many would be happy to call for their being killed. But oh well.
Our most recent common ancestor, yes. Before that there were pre-cellular lifeforms.
Ben Avraham
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Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Do I you think/believe that your body was designed/created?
Yes, I do; my body was caused to exist by my parents. And the bodies of your parents? By their parents; and those of their parents? Their parents and so on back till the Primal Cause. BTW, if you read Genesis 2:7, when HaShem formed man from the dust of the earth, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
Yes, I do; my body was caused to exist by my parents. And the bodies of your parents? By their parents; and those of their parents? Their parents and so on back till the Primal Cause. BTW, if you read Genesis 2:7, when HaShem formed man from the dust of the earth, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
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That's it.
It's like a spam,for sure I will disagree with that person but don't call for kill him.
Why one single-cell remain one single cell animals ?
I mean why we don't obeserve the marco-evolution between millions of animal ..etc
But by science it's does not proved,it's hypothesis and guess.
That's why scienstist called "Cambrian" era by explosion.
The Cambrian explosion, or less commonly Cambrian radiation, was the relatively short evolutionary event, beginning around 541 million years ago in the Cambrian period, during which most major animal phyla appeared, as indicated by the fossil record. Lasting for about the next 20–25 million years, it resulted in the divergence of most modern metazoan phyla. Additionally, the event was accompanied by major diversification of other organisms.[note 1] Prior to the Cambrian explosion,[note 2] most organisms were simple, composed of individual cells occasionally organized into colonies. Over the following 70 to 80 million years, the rate of diversification accelerated by an order of magnitude[note 3] and the diversity of life began to resemble that of today. Almost all the present phyla appeared during this period, with the exception of Bryozoa, which made its earliest known appearance in the Lower Ordovician.
The Cambrian explosion has generated extensive scientific debate. The seemingly rapid appearance of fossils in the "Primordial Strata" was noted as early as the 1840s, and in 1859 Charles Darwin discussed it as one of the main objections that could be made against the theory of evolution by natural selection. The long-running puzzlement about the appearance of the Cambrian fauna, seemingly abruptly, without precursor, centers on three key points: whether there really was a mass diversification of complex organisms over a relatively short period of time during the early Cambrian; what might have caused such rapid change; and what it would imply about the origin of animal life. Interpretation is difficult due to a limited supply of evidence, based mainly on an incomplete fossil record and chemical signatures remaining in Cambrian rocks.
Phylogenetic analysis has been used to support the view that during the Cambrian radiation, metazoans evolved monophyletically from a single common ancestor: flagellated colonial protists similar to modern choanoflagellates.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/earth_timeline/cambrian_explosion
@Kirran
Just to not post again about Precambrian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precambrian
including some which may represent stem groups of modern taxa. The explosion in diversity of lifeforms during the early Cambrian is called the Cambrian explosion of life
Just to not post again about Precambrian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precambrian
including some which may represent stem groups of modern taxa. The explosion in diversity of lifeforms during the early Cambrian is called the Cambrian explosion of life
Well that's good. You're a tolerant one by the standards of your religion.
Dude, learn biology.
But I will not consider him a Muslim
I guess you meant history of biology maybe.
I mentionned to debate subject in evolution called "explosion" which had no previous records from from 1 or 2 cells to animals!
Dude,learn history of biology
The Cambrian Explosion is enough to tear down the theory of evolution
The world of living things is divided by biologists into such fundamental groups as plants, animals, fungae etc. These are then subdivided into different "phyla." When designating these phyla, the fact that each one possesses completely different physical structures should always be borne in mind. Arthropoda (insects, spiders, and other creatures with jointed legs), for instance, are a phylum by themselves, and all the animals in the phylum have the same fundamental physical structure. The phylum called Chordata includes those creatures with a notochord or, most commonly, a spinal column. All the large animals such as fish, birds, reptiles, and mammals th
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/20questions02.html
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But I will not consider him a Muslim
That's a shame. I have no reason not to myself.
Godobeyer, that is nonsense - multicellular organisms did not emerge with the Cambrian Explosion.
I said learn biology, because you don't exhibit any knowledge of it. Answer this question, and prove me wrong - how do you think your idea that the Cambrian Explosion refutes evolution holds up in the face of the fact that pre-Cambrian chordates have been discovered, that the diversification was among benthic rather than pelagic organisms (making it non-universal) and the fact this was a period lasting millions of years that we know about only from fossil records, which are by definition massively incomplete?
You are free, everyone does, there is no shame.
Yes there was few animals.
Nor you Nor me called that era "explosion" ,it's scientists whom did.
There was sudden appears of m of animals in Cambrian era.because millions of animals appears in very short period of time in earth time.
The Cambrian Period marks an important point in the history of life on Earth; it is the time when most of the major groups of animals first appear in the fossil record. This event is sometimes called the "Cambrian Explosion," because of the relatively short time over which this diversity of forms appears. It was once thought that Cambrian rocks contained the first and oldest fossil animals, but these are now found in the earlier Ediacaran (Vendian) strata.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/cambrian/cambrian.php
Scientists of a long time ago - our understanding moves on.
So you can't answer my question?
I know what the Cambrian Period is, thankyou. During a period of 20-25 million years we first see the fossil records of a number of major taxa. In evolutionary terms, these taxa are first observed during a short period of time. This seems likely to be due to a number of factors, such as the increase in oxygen in the atmosphere and the radiation of lifeforms into a variety of niches available on the seafloor, and then later diversifying into the water column during the mid-Cambrian.
) No evolutionary researchers today question the theory of evolution based on the Cambrian radiation.
2) They do not do this anymore because the Cambrian radiation event is now known to extend for 40 million years with excellent record of gradual evolutionary transformations from more primitive to more advanced forms through this entire period, perfectly in keeping with the predictions of evolution.
3) The appearance of suddenness is now known to be an artifact of earlier incomplete discovery of fossils, a lack that has since been filled. It is no longer sudden or rapid.
4) Precambrian record has extended the evolution of animals to another 100 million years before the Cambrian with the appearance of most soft bodied forms (and many extinct ones).
5) Thus animals do not appear suddenly, but rather quite gradually from very simple undifferentiated soft bodies to relatively more complex bony and shelly structures over a gradually evolving pathway extending 140 million years. The evolving pathway could be traced in the fossil record adequately.
6) . While evolution is a slow process compared to human life-spans, its a rapid process compared to geological time-scales . The unit of evolutionary time scale is 1-2 million years (as I noted earlier) and large transformations take 10-20 million years. Earth however is 4500 million years old. The fact that evolutionary processes are so rapid compared to the total time available is the reason the process has been so effective in creating and recreating the stupendous diversity of life on the planet.
Nice try.
That's your claim
Excuse me? What is?
You do talk some nonsense. Why would the conclusions of a century ago be in some way binding?
We actually have more evidence now. So of course our understanding's improved.
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While Godobeyer, due to a combination of stubborness, lack of fluency in English and lack of scientific education, won't understand any of this, thanks for putting it in. I hadn't argued this point anywhere near as comprehensively as you've done here.
Shad
Veteran Member
Inductive reasoning nothing more
It is not my understanding. It is taught as a basic fact of logic and reasoning. Educate yourself
Factories receive materials from other sources, which in turn receive these material in different ways. You have oversimplified and ignore the differences between seeds and factories. People work in these factories, we can identify them, identify the process they use, the methods and the results.
All your argument can establish is that a great many "designers" are involved. By your argument you should be a polytheist. When are you going to convert?
Yes we can identify this presence with the watch, not with seed....
No that is a failure of using logic. All you have done is repeat the mistakes in the argument
Irrelevant as I can dismiss your argument with your flawed logic. You seem not to understand that people can cut down your points without demonstrating anything besides your errors in your argument. Educate yourself.
http://philosophy.lander.edu/intro/paley.shtml
@Godobeyer, on the off-chance you missed it or hoped to ignore it, sayak83's post addresses your misunderstandings about our current state of knowledge about evolution in the Cambrian very nicely.
We've been thru all this. The above post is either fanatic or uneducated, nothing else, just like almost all, if not all, of its prior posts. Fanatic for the implied claim of perfection and uneducated for the implied one's own thought and understanding is universal logic just because it is taught. We're going in circles thanks to this. Educate yourself. Education is not just about knowledge, you know.