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Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?


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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Sorry, I don't get your point. I so tired now and can't focus much. It's been a long day for me today.

You are so fair, respectful and concerned with other people feelings that you could be a Saint.

The remark of you being the first Smart Saint was, well, a joke, or an attempt thereof.

Ciao

- viole
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Okay fine, it's a fruit. I forgive you.



You don't have to try if you don't want/wish to. I didn't mean to impose my "not-ridiculing" belief on you.

No no. I really want to improve. How am I doing?

Ciao

- viole
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
But if you were sure when you say thay there is nothing created by itself, then you would be sure that God wasn't created by itself.

...so you don't actually think that nothing is created by itself, are you?
I meant everything we know/observe :)
Because I believe our knowladge is beyond that understanding ,it's not our business.

For me except God.





I wouldn't accept that without a good reason. Nothing that we know suggests that evolution needs a god.
As origin of life, for sure Creator needed.


I do believe everything required a creator expect God "Creator".
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Defeat? Win? How?
There is no defeat or win , it's about majority ,that's it.



Kinda, yeah, but not all Hindus do at all. Atheist Hindus don't in any way. And Nondualistic Hindus such as myself might just as easily say they do not, as it's largely a matter of semantics.
I don't know how much atheist Hindus or theist Hindus are there , but I was talking about around the world not just Hindus.



Yeah, just not the competition part.
Sure,it's not real competition :)

it's about idealogy competition like: evolution vs creationism :)
 

Kirran

Premium Member
There is no defeat or win , it's about majority ,that's it.

I was just put off by you're saying the majority wins then.

I don't know how much atheist Hindus or theist Hindus are there , but I was talking about around the world not just Hindus.

Yeah, I dunno either. Tiny minorities, but there are people who call themselves atheist Muslims and Christians too! Just as a point of interest.

Sure,it's not real competition :)

it's about idealogy competition like: evolution vs creationism :)

That's more evidence than numbers, surely?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I was just put off by you're saying the majority wins then.
In statics " virtual" , yeah.



Yeah, I dunno either. Tiny minorities, but there are people who call themselves atheist Muslims and Christians too! Just as a point of interest.
I never heard about atheist Muslims.
I don't know about atheists Christians.


That's more evidence than numbers, surely?
I don't get your point here.

What do you mean ?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
In statics " virtual" , yeah.

But why is it a competition? What do they win?

I never heard about atheist Muslims.
I don't know about atheists Christians.

I think it's people who've grown up in a Muslim family, and they don't believe in God anymore but still feel that's their background, their heritage, you know?

As for atheist Christians, some of it is the same, and then there's an atheist Christian movement. Very small, mind.

I don't get your point here.

What do you mean ?

In the debate between evolution and creationism, evidence matters more than how many people back each side.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
But why is it a competition? What do they win?
There is no competition and there is no win or lose.

I meant the static majority,was for fun not more.

I think it's people who've grown up in a Muslim family, and they don't believe in God anymore but still feel that's their background, their heritage, you know?
As label , as you claimed "atheist Muslim" I never heard about someone considered him self "atheist Muslim".

I think you meant religious and non-religious/secular Muslims ?





In the debate between evolution and creationism, evidence matters more than how many people back each side.
Evidence about what ?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
If my body was designed I have so many questions. Like why my spine is curved. Why there's little to no cartilage between my joints and especially the discs in my spine.

Is it a joke? Because if it is..fair enough, sounds like something I'd do. But this doesn't give me hope about our past, and especially not our future with this 'Creator'. In fact, if you can somehow prove to me that the 'Creator' is like me, I might take the quick way out, because otherwise the rest of you are ****ed.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
If my body was designed I have so many questions. Like why my spine is curved. Why there's little to no cartilage between my joints and especially the discs in my spine.
.
Do you have a medical problem ?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
And who defines what logic is, or rather what stuff are what defined to be logic?

Irrelevant as the argument at hand uses logic thus accepts the rules and principles of logic.

Logic is an understanding

No it isn't. It study of reason along with the principles and criteria of valid inference and demonstration

it is not concrete to be presented as a material does, at least in the subject at hand.

Irrelevant and a point I already made.

When it comes to thinking and believing, there is no Logic (capital L), but logic. Any group of people could come with "a" logic and claim it is Logic in this field.

Irrelevant. People come up with a different concept of logic not a different logic. If this concept can be shown to work it is accepted. If it can not it is rejected. Hence why people's opinions are not taught as a form of logic nor their opinions on logic.

Even the arguments for design or contingency, both of which are present in this thread, are logic based. Using your excuse I can merely dismiss it because I have a different opinion. This would make me illogical, nothing more.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
There is no competition and there is no win or lose.

I meant the static majority,was for fun not more.

Ah, OK :)

As label , as you claimed "atheist Muslim" I never heard about someone considered him self "atheist Muslim".

I think you meant religious and non-religious/secular Muslims ?

I dunno, it's just what I've heard people say they are.

Evidence about what ?

Creationism and evolutionism.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I dunno, it's just what I've heard people say they are.
That's rumor,not in reality :)

I know that religions like Judaims accept atheists of their community (Jewish).

It's easy to find an atheist Jew.


Creationism and evolutionism.
What evidences about? orgin of life ?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
That's rumor,not in reality :)

I know that religions like Judaims accept atheists of their community (Jewish).

It's easy to find an atheist Jew.

Well, I've heard people say it. I believed them when they said it.

It's complicated with Jews. You can be a Jew and not follow Judaism. It's an ethnic group as well as a religious group.

What evidences about? orgin of life ?

About the origins of life in its present forms.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Well, I've heard people say it. I believed them when they said it.
Not everything you heard is true, especially about something odd.





About the origins of life in its present forms.
What's different?

I do believe creationism is different than evolutionism,not opposite origin of life in "first" form.

Creationism don't deny the fact of updates of creature/specie in it life period.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Not everything you heard is true, especially about something odd.

I am aware. But when you hear from someone directly saying they identify as something, there's no reason not to take them at their word.

What's different?

I do believe creationism is different than evolutionism,not opposite origin of life in "first" form.

Creationism don't deny the fact of updates of creature/specie in it life period.

Right, but your form of creationism goes against the scientific consensus on the common ancestry of all lifeforms.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I am aware. But when you hear from someone directly saying they identify as something, there's no reason not to take them at their word.
Last week someone claim he is satanic Islam.

Maybe we will find someone claim he is hindus-Muslim-atheist man :D


Right, but your form of creationism goes against the scientific consensus on the common ancestry of all lifeforms.

What are our common ancestry ?
 
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