Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Shad]

We've been thru all this. The above post is either fanatic or uneducated, nothing else, just like almost all, if not all, of its prior posts. Fanatic for the implied claim of perfection and uneducated for the implied one's own thought and understanding is universal logic just because it is taught. We're going in circles thanks to this. Educate yourself. Education is not just about knowledge, you know.

No the post is based on objections I have linked already paraphrased by me. All you have done is reject modern philosophy education. You are merely claiming your logic is right based on nothing. You use the same logic of Parley but are oblivious to this since you have no understanding nor education of philosophy.

I never claimed perfection.

Uneducated laymen dictating what is logic is amusing.

 

[Godobeyer]

Excuse me? What is?

You do talk some nonsense. Why would the conclusions of a century ago be in some way binding?

We actually have more evidence now. So of course our understanding's improved.

Me who bring links and evidence.
You don't insert evidence, just claims.

 

[Godobeyer]

@Godobeyer, on the off-chance you missed it or hoped to ignore it, sayak83's post addresses your misunderstandings about our current state of knowledge about evolution in the Cambrian very nicely.

I posted links of Wikipedia and some other sources, how they explain Cambrian explosion, I don't need "opinions" of people.

 

[Kirran]

Me who bring links and evidence.
You don't insert evidence, just claims.

Links, you've posted. To random websites and youtube videos that support your ideas, not to anywhere reputable.

If you would like sources, here are scientific research papers:
One
Two
Three
Four

I posted links of Wikipedia and some other sources, how they explain Cambrian explosion, I don't need "opinions" of people.

That wasn't opinion, that was a summary of current scientific understanding by someone who is educated in the field.

 

[Smart_Guy]

No the post is based on objections I have linked already paraphrased by me. All you have done is reject modern philosophy education. You are merely claiming your logic is right based on nothing. You use the same logic of Parley but are oblivious to this since you have no understanding nor education of philosophy.

I never claimed perfection.

Uneducated laymen dictating what is logic is amusing.

More useless to the point references there.

All I'm seeing is that the above describes what you've been doing all along. All I did was sharing my own beliefs without imposing them. I also did not say you claimed perfection, I said your posts imply claiming perfections. It means it does not matter what you really claim, what matters is what you say and imply. What one says is what one is taken for. It is when you kept trying to impose how you see your argument's logic as the absolute truth giving links, terminologies and philosophies as attempts for that. All I did was comparing logic the way I see it with logic the way you describe it, nothing else.

Agreed, uneducated laymen dictating what is logic is amusing.
(Again, education is not just about knowledge, which depends on views sometimes)

 

[Godobeyer]

Links, you've posted. To random websites and youtube videos that support your ideas, not to anywhere reputable.

Links that I posted is commun one, all world accept them.
Then


These links are not credible because it's not adopted by scientists.
Actualy I find some dificult to understand two last one.

One

This one 2004, Just curious why scientist don't adopt it !

Two

This one 2000 ! ,seems the scientists miss much !

anyway it's same specie,there is no evolution !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilateria

Three

Where is the fossil date ?
btw it's Date 2007 !

Four

From your link:
A total of 30 modes of life are recorded in the Early and Middle Cambrian

That wasn't opinion, that was a summary of current scientific understanding by someone who is educated in the field.

Since it's not registered as credible/commun information,it's remain uncredible or fake.

 

[Kirran]

Links that I posted is commun one, all world accept them.
Then


These links are not credible because it's not adopted by scientists.
Actualy I find some dificult to understand two last one.


This one 2004, Just curious why scientist don't adopt it !


This one 2000 ! ,seems the scientists miss much !

anyway it's same specie,there is no evolution !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilateria



Where is the fossil date ?
btw it's Date 2007 !



From your link:
A total of 30 modes of life are recorded in the Early and Middle Cambrian

The whole world accepts them? What are you on about?

Bilateria is not a species.

Since it's not registered as credible/commun information,it's remain uncredible or fake.

Registered?

 

[Shad]

More useless to the point references there.

The reference was useful since you paraphrased the watchmaker argument

All I'm seeing is that the above describes what you've been doing all along. All I did was sharing my own beliefs without imposing them. I also did not say you claimed perfection, I said your posts imply claiming perfections. It means it does not matter what you really claim, what matters is what you say and imply. What one says is what one is taken for. It is when you kept trying to impose how you see your argument's logic as the absolute truth giving links, terminologies and philosophies as attempts for that. All I did was comparing logic the way I see it with logic the way you describe it, nothing else.

You called it logic so you did more than that. I showed you where your logic fails. Your own personal logic means nothing.

Agreed, uneducated laymen dictating what is logic is amusing.
(Again, education is not just about knowledge, which depends on views sometimes)

You should gain some knowledge of logic so you can avoid the error you made.

 

[Smart_Guy]

The reference was useful since you paraphrased the watchmaker argument

You called it logic so you did more than that. I showed you where your logic fails. Your own personal logic means nothing.

You should gain some knowledge of logic so you can avoid the error you made.

It's okay, it's just philosophy, no need to be radical about it. There are so many philosophies out there. Just because you showed some that you impose as absolute, it does not mean things are concluded or refuted. Your own personal logic means nothing on its own too, if that how you put someone else's logic. You really need to let it go and calm down. Life has more than being radical with some philosophy (we've been thru all this already)

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Just save it in your mind , " Godobeyer is not here to convince people about Islam, He is here to explain it"

Correction: You are here to explain your understanding of Islaam (which may to a greater or lesser extent correspond to other Muslims' or other people's understandings of Islaam, or may not of course).

Most of humanity/religion are believe in creation,Creator :"Islam,Christianity,Hinduism....etc"

What do you mean by 'Creator'? Does a 'Creator' have to be self-aware, and intend to create the thing it is creating? Can the cause of something be a creator?

Now you get my point,it's was not about beliefs correct or wrong!

So I'm still struggling to understand what the point of your poll is..

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Last week someone claim he is satanic Islam.

Are you saying that is not my religion?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

for sure I will disagree with that person but don't call for kill him.

Glad to hear it!

 

[Godobeyer]

Correction: You are here to explain your understanding of Islaam (which may to a greater or lesser extent correspond to other Muslims' or other people's understandings of Islaam, or may not of course).

You understanding is not acceptable that why it's deleted from Islam DIR.

What do you mean by 'Creator'? Does a 'Creator' have to be self-aware, and intend to create the thing it is creating? Can the cause of something be a creator?



So I'm still struggling to understand what the point of your poll is.

Don't worry.

 

[Kirran]

You understanding is not acceptable that why it's deleted from Islam DIR.

Who says?

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you saying that is not my religion?

It's your religion,not mine.

 

[Godobeyer]

Who says?

Admins

 

[Kirran]

Admins

Really, they said he couldn't be a Muslim? Wow.

 

[Godobeyer]

Really, they said he couldn't be a Muslim? Wow.

No, they deleted many of his posts, we got reproted.

 

[Kirran]

No, they deleted many of his posts, we got reproted.

Oh yeah? Can you link me to a relevant discussion? That's interesting.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

You understanding is not acceptable that why it's deleted from Islam DIR.

The deletion of some of my posts from Islam DIR is not quite as straightforward as you are making out. Not acceptable to you (and it's probably fair to say a majority of other Muslims too). But the phenomenon of heterodox, unorthodox or syncretic forms of religion is as common to Islaam as it is to other forms of religion. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to hold it or to identify as or to proclaim myself a Muslim (as I said in the DIR, we can debate what is 'required' to belong to Islaam, or indeed any particular faith, if you would like). RF rules are such that adherents of forms of a religion perceived to be syncretic (or just too controversial for DIR) are asked not to post there (right, moderators?). That's not a judgment on the part of the moderators about whether a person's particular take on a particular religion is necessarily outside that religion.

But in any case, I wasn't referring to my particular take on Islaam. Setting that aside, there are plenty of other understandings of Islaam that might be different from yours, but still 'acceptable' to a larger number of Muslims. Your view isn't necessarily correct (it might be, it might not be, if there is even such a thing as a 'correct' view on this subject).

Re my other questions, I do worry! Are you going to avoid answering what are perfectly legitimate questions in the context of this thread?