Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[Kirran]

We don't believe everything is God , we believe everything is God creation.

God can't order people to be evil or doing crimes,so call that is God deed.

If someone kill my mother , I will not say that person God killed my God mother.

I will say that person killed my mother.


Not it's not tawhid, tawhid is one God is Creator of everything (no partners, no idols).

Who is 'we'?

I read some Sufi understandings of tawhid which are the same as my understanding of God's unity. It's all about being open to experience of God, as opposed to only intellectual reasoning.

We have different understandings of God. This is normal. You wanna convert me?

 

[Godobeyer]

Who is 'we'?

I read some Sufi understandings of tawhid which are the same as my understanding of God's unity. It's all about being open to experience of God, as opposed to only intellectual reasoning.

I never heard about before.

Anyway ,I don't think all Sufi scholars agree on that concept.

Tawhid is what I said before,what most of Muslims agree on.

 

[Kirran]

I never heard about before.

Anyway ,I don't think all Sufi scholars agree on that concept.

Tawhid is what I said before,what most of Muslims agree on.

1.6 billion people, you're bound to have some variation! There's more to understanding than scholarship.

 

[Godobeyer]

1.6 billion people, you're bound to have some variation! There's more to understanding than scholarship.

On that concept "Tawhid" ? No there is not variation. except that book that your read.

In major Islamic laws there is no variation , like one God,believe in His prophets ,and Books ...etc

 

[Kirran]

On that concept "Tawhid" ? No there is not variation. except that book that your read.

In major Islamic laws there is no variation , like one God,believe in His prophets ,and Books ...etc

I'm just going on what different Muslim friends of mine say. For some, tawhid means only God exists. For some, it means there's only one external God, like for yourself. No need to all be the same.

 

[gnostic]

Of course we were created...like when your mum and dad did the jig...

...it's called reproduction...perfectly natural.

No third party involved...not unless your mum and dad had an audience... That would be perverse.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm just going on what different Muslim friends of mine say. For some, tawhid means only God exists. For some, it means there's only one external God, like for yourself. No need to all be the same.

Yes;we believe in external one God.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tawhid
An Arabic word meaning the Oneness of Allah.

 

[Godobeyer]

Of course we were created...like when your mum and dad did the jig...

...it's called reproduction...perfectly natural.

No third party involved...not unless your mum and dad had an audience... That would be perverse.

let's back to deep past to first "mum" and "dad" (imagine that you have time machine)
Who created first ever "mum" or "dad" at same time ?

 

[Kirran]

Yes;we believe in external one God.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tawhid
An Arabic word meaning the Oneness of Allah.

Depends on the Muslim! There are 1.6 billion, views vary, it's OK.

 

[Godobeyer]

Depends on the Muslim! There are 1.6 billion, views vary, it's OK.

Yes 99,99% of Muslims believe that way.

 

[Kirran]

Yes 99,99% of Muslims believe that way.

What, I've met the 0.01% of Muslims? What are the chances?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yes, I'm not sure. As a scientist, we're educated not to jump to conclusions that are not based on solid and objective evidence, and when it comes to what may have caused our universe/multiverse, such evidence is lacking.

For me, Metis, it is not just that evidence is lacking, but that a bit of careful thinking tends to strongly suggest that our universe was not intentionally created. Here, for me, is the key to that argument: we must posit a being of pure spirit, with neither physical, spatial or temporal qualities as part of its nature, that suddenly notices, "Do you know what? We don't have and stuff or any time, and that needs to be corrected!"

Add to that the certainty that "stuff" and "time," when taken together, inevitably leads to change -- and thus decay and death --which until that moment never existed!

It would take a pretty monumental argument (the like of which I have not heard yet) to convince me of that.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This had no sense to me "I have form, but I am not designed"

A lump of dirt, or a trail of horse poop, lying in the road have "form" but are not designed. In English, form can be a verb (meaning to give shape to) or it can be a noun, meaning simply to have a shape, which was not (necessarily) given.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Noun or verb all same.

Liars are all everywhere,whatever its your first or second language.
Its funny how liars/bad people apalways deal/agreed with each others

That's big lie , you lost my respect by.

I object to this -- calling people "liar" simply because YOU do not understand the nuances of a language not your own is extremely rude. Really, I'd report you for that, if I could be bothered.

 

[Milton Platt]

Hello everybody .

EDITED to add:

I am in discuss with some members , they deny that their body is desinged , and all species,plants...are designed or created,maybe to skip the question "who designed us,and all this life?"

I do believe that it's fact to me and to many people,it's maybe sounds crazy to deny this clear fact, which we are see it and living in it,through it !

Please vote,then explain your opinion
Thanks in advance

What evidence can you submit to support your belief, other than the standard, "it is to complicated for me to figure out, therefore a magical being did it"?

 

[AllenWalker]

A higher power designed me.

 

[AllenWalker]

Depends on the Muslim! There are 1.6 billion, views vary, it's OK.

All Muslims believe in One eternal God, if they do not, then they are not Muslim.

 

[Valjean]

A higher power designed me.

Evidence? Mechanism?
Why do you believe this?

And welcome to RF, AW.

 

[AllenWalker]

Evidence? Mechanism?
Why do you believe this?

And welcome to RF, AW.

Why do i need to provide evidence?

Thanks for the welcome!

 

[Valjean]

Because assertions must be based on evidence, to be considered credible.

I could insist that Russel's teapot was real, but I wouldn't expect any reasonable people to believe me without some supporting evidence.