Do you think/believe that your body was designed/created?

[AllenWalker]

I'm not sure I'm following, AW. You can't prove a negative (Russel's teapot, again), you can't believe everything till each item is disproved evidentially -- that would be absurd.
The only reasonable thing is to believe thing as evidence for them appears.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Not each item.

Wikipedia is not much of an accurate source.

 

[Valjean]

The point of an empty assertion on a chat board is to let others know what i believe to be MY own belief.

You could put that much in your member profile.
When one posts a personal belief on a talkboard it's assumed you want to talk about it. For us to ignore your assertion would be rude.

I can definitely discuss something without discussing the evidence for it.

That, I'd like to see.

Do you believe Dark Energy exists?

I do, but only because there is a great deal of easily Googled evidence for it.[/quote][/quote]

 

[AllenWalker]

Concept of afterlife defeats atheism.

 

[AllenWalker]

You could put that much in your member profile.
When one posts a personal belief on a talkboard it's assumed you want to talk about it. For us to ignore your assertion would be rude.

Talking= evidence; NOPE

 

[Valjean]

Not each item.

Wikipedia is not much of an accurate source.

It's a well known analogy. You can google a thousand other sources, or look it up in your Funk and Wagnall's, if you prefer.

 

[McBell]

Talking= evidence; NOPE

no one has made that claim.
If you think they have, you should go back to that post and keep re-rereading it until you comprehend what it actually says.

 

[Valjean]

Concept of afterlife defeats atheism.

Concepts defeat nothing.
Got facts?

I could conceive of a heaven filled with Egyptian deities, but that wouldn't 'defeat' Christianity.

 

[McBell]

Concept of afterlife defeats atheism.

Except that atheism does not automatically exclude afterlife.
So another epic fail on your part.

 

[AllenWalker]

Concepts defeat nothing.
Got facts?

Facts are not always needed to make an assertion true sorry.

 

[AllenWalker]

Except that atheism does not automatically exclude afterlife.
So another epic fail on your part.

Did i ever say it did?
You sure do jump to conclusions quickly.

The concept of afterlife defeats atheism, i repeat again.

 

[AllenWalker]

It's a well known analogy. You can google a thousand other sources, or look it up in your Funk and Wagnall's, if you prefer.

I trust you haha

 

[Valjean]

Facts are not always needed to make an assertion true sorry.

Facts are NEVER needed to make an assertion -- only to support one.

 

[Valjean]

The concept of afterlife defeats atheism, i repeat again.

How does a concept support or defeat anything?

 

[AllenWalker]

Facts are NEVER needed to make an assertion -- only to support one.

Reread my comment?

 

[AllenWalker]

How does a concept support or defeat anything?

Idk, i'm an ''atheist''.

 

[gnostic]

let's back to deep past to first "mum" and "dad" (imagine that you have time machine)
Who created first ever "mum" or "dad" at same time ?

First off, I don't know my first "mum" and "dad".

Our "recorded" genealogy (on my father's side) only go back to the 28th generations.

On my mother's side, it is less well-documented, and my mum know of nothing before her great-grandparents.

We have no records beyond that, so anything I say about before these ancestors of mine, would merely be speculation.

Second, this topic you have started, only say about "your body", and not about Adam and Eve, or any other mythological ancestors.

So I am assuming you mean that is "my body" was created or designed.

So the answer would be the same as my first reply, as well as to all my known ancestors: created through reproductions.

We are certainly not made out of clay, as your Qur'an say.

The most basic molecule or compound of clay is that of clay minerals:

hydrous aluminum phyllosilicate​

This mineral is formed when sediment rocks erode and decompose.

We do have trace elements of aluminum and silicon in our body, but not in this molecular form.

Our body has mostly the following elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen and nitrogen.

But in terms of the most basic molecules and compound, water is the highest. Other compound are protein, fat, carbohydrates, hydroxylapatite (it's what make up bones), and DNA.

Less than 0.01 percent (to be more precise, 0.0058% or 0.001 kg) of silicon are found in the adult human. The presence of aluminum is even smaller than that (0.000015% or 0.00006 kg). With that in mind, there are not enough silicon and aluminum to make clay. And neither of these two atoms are essentials to life...not unless you are a plant.

So how can we possibly be made out of clay?

 

[McBell]

Did i ever say it did?
You sure do jump to conclusions quickly.

The concept of afterlife defeats atheism, i repeat again.

And I repeat again that atheism does not automatically exclude an afterlife.

Now if what you posted is not what you meant, you should really clarify what you meant.
If you refuse to clarify, then my reply stands.

 

[gnostic]

The concept of afterlife defeats atheism, i repeat again.

Atheists may not believe in the afterlife, but it is not the afterlife they questioned; it the existence of deity or deities.

Have you ever heard of Buddhism?

Buddhists are religious or spiritual while being non-theism at the same time. And they believed in the afterlife in the form of reincarnation.

 

[Godobeyer]

First off, I don't know my first "mum" and "dad".

Our "recorded" genealogy (on my father's side) only go back to the 28th generations.

On my mother's side, it is less well-documented, and my mum know of nothing before her great-grandparents.

We have no records beyond that, so anything I say about before these ancestors of mine, would merely be speculation.

Second, this topic you have started, only say about "your body", and not about Adam and Eve, or any other mythological ancestors.

So I am assuming you mean that is "my body" was created or designed.

So the answer would be the same as my first reply, as well as to all my known ancestors: created through reproductions.

We are certainly not made out of clay, as your Qur'an say.

The most basic molecule or compound of clay is that of clay minerals:

hydrous aluminum phyllosilicate​

This mineral is formed when sediment rocks erode and decompose.

We do have trace elements of aluminum and silicon in our body, but not in this molecular form.

Our body has mostly the following elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen and nitrogen.

But in terms of the most basic molecules and compound, water is the highest. Other compound are protein, fat, carbohydrates, hydroxylapatite (it's what make up bones), and DNA.

Less than 0.01 percent (to be more precise, 0.0058% or 0.001 kg) of silicon are found in the adult human. The presence of aluminum is even smaller than that (0.000015% or 0.00006 kg). With that in mind, there are not enough silicon and aluminum to make clay. And neither of these two atoms are essentials to life...not unless you are a plant.

So how can we possibly be made out of clay?

No sure that you got my point perfectly about my question,because it's required more imagination , and sincerity to reach/catch my idea.

 

[Godobeyer]

A lump of dirt, or a trail of horse poop, lying in the road have "form" but are not designed. In English, form can be a verb (meaning to give shape to) or it can be a noun, meaning simply to have a shape, which was not (necessarily) given.

We can ask who formed that road.
the answser :road formed by human or nature.