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again if you understand the idea of infinite, forever, forever encompasses all space and time. if god is limited to heaven then there is no hell because god can't be limited to simply heaven because you want to believe in a hell of eternal suffering and dividing god's creation from itself. that would mean god and it's creation are separate and equal.


if god is ONE then nothing else exists except in self-delusion. there is no god and some other. everything arises and falls, including angels, solely on god spirit's maintaining, being it.


god is being, all being.

True existence is idea type, so negative existence (evil) is negative numbers in God's mind, he can make it real, but there is no light of God in that. It's defined with his knowledge of the negative of the light.
 

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True existence is idea type, so negative existence (evil) is negative numbers in God's mind, he can make it real, but there is no light of God in that. It's defined with his knowledge of the negative of the light.
can you not grasp that if god is infinite then there is nothing that god's spirit doesn't maintain and causes to be?


that which emanates and radiates back, God causes to be and it is returned


 

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What does the Quran say about bigotry?

I don't know terms are what people make them to be, most people who use that term a lot probably consider Quran a huge pile of bigotry themselves.

Why don't you tell me brother?
 

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can you not grasp that if god is infinite then there is nothing that god's spirit doesn't maintain and causes to be?


that which emanates and radiates back, God causes to be and it is returned



It depends, if we are word/spoken type or solidified real existence, I think the only true existence is God, and emanation is how close we are to his name, his name increases through vision/idea/listening to God.

So spoken negative, would not have any substance. God exists and is source of all, but it's spoken creation into reality and negative idea/speech/negative numbers is possible.
 

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We exist as his judgment/sight, that is how we exist an idea, that idea can be negative or positively as far it relates to the truth.
 

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I don't know terms are what people make them to be, most people who use that term a lot probably consider Quran a huge pile of bigotry themselves.

Why don't you tell me brother?

What most people do is irrelevant. What you are doing is whats relevant. Bigotry.

Quran says "la yashr kawmun".

You are directly against it. You dont follow the Qur'an.

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What most people do is irrelevant. What you are doing is whats relevant. Bigotry.

Quran says "la yashr kawmun".

You are directly against it. You dont follow the Qur'an.

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Alright I hope to improve then and follow Quran. Can we agree to see what Quran says about sorcerers and not trust these people to speak for themselves?
 

firedragon

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Alright I hope to improve then and follow Quran. Can we agree to see what Quran says about sorcerers and not trust these people to speak for themselves?

Lol. First practice your religion and walk the walk. Dont practice bigotry. Fundamental.

And you dont know jack about sorcerers and what the Qur'an says. It will only embarrass you. There are no sorcerers mate. It is you who believes in all kinds of magical nonsense, and you use your absolutely limited knowledge to insult others of other religions and other sects as liars. Thats an innate nature of people who are taught all their lives to dismiss others the way you do.

God, if you believe in God, is absolutely against you.
 

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Lol. First practice your religion and walk the walk. Dont practice bigotry. Fundamental.

And you dont know jack about sorcerers and what the Qur'an says. It will only embarrass you. There are no sorcerers mate. It is you who believes in all kinds of magical nonsense, and you use your absolutely limited knowledge to insult others of other religions and other sects as liars. Thats an innate nature of people who are taught all their lives to dismiss others the way you do.

God, if you believe in God, is absolutely against you.

Sorcery is just Waswas, but the nature of Waswas is complicated. Satan puts locks through magic, his waswas, and the nature, is just a deceiving call in the psyche but he has elaborated system with air type, fire type, water type, earth type and sorcerers also taught to ritualize spells for example, if they think you are fire type, they will burn the chant thing they write. Jinn can benefit humans through this system in changing their psyche to be successful in acquiring worldly life but obviously this unclean energy will have consequence and they lose control of their life in many ways and go away from the light. There is also the breathing he does through his spirit and touch, which is just a call (not physical). Also telepathy of sorcerers is such that they can enter your dream and incept you and gauge you and observe a lot about you. They don't have power as in ability to do miracles like Prophets (s) but they play a huge role in misguiding and breathing into the locks a long with Jinni Shayateen.

We can say Waswas is nothing, but it's not nothing. It's huge his sorcery, in that, he has overtaken most of humanity with his deceptive call towards himself.
 
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Also you can build barriers in your mind and annul dark magic and break knots/locks through light of God's Names. God's Name is a magical thing itself mainly the leader and guide of our time is that.
 

firedragon

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Sorcery is just Waswas

Waswas is not sorcerer??? Waswasa means whisper. How did you turn it into sorcerer? The inference stems from "waswasa lahumaasshaythaanu". Thats why I asked what is meant by "shayaatheena" since I know your source of knowledge already. This is Alquran bilquran.

You have not given the response yet mate.
 

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@Conscious thoughts - if you are apathetic to the oppression and plans of Iblis against the believers, and don't do anything - according to our ahadith you get counted as if you supported or did the oppression yourself. You have to find a way to have an impact for the forces of God and see in what Ahlulbayt (s) hope from you and see what their enemies fear from you.

It's not a choice, striving in God's way, seeking to give him something from your life in his way and commanding to good and forbidding evil and opposing injustice and taking side of the truthful, this is all necessary.

Don't be silent to oppressors as that is loudly saying to them "Do what you want!".
 

firedragon

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@Conscious thoughts - if you are apathetic to the oppression and plans of Iblis against the believers, and don't do anything - according to our ahadith you get counted as if you supported or did the oppression yourself.

Mate. Speaking of this so called "our ahadith", what is "our ahadith"? You mean "your ahadith".

Since you are out to condemn people as liars, can you please give me an early remnant of any of your ahadith like Bihar al Anwar from an early Salafi time period? One single manuscript? Small fragment. What is the Maail on it? How is the Hamza written? How do you date it? Any carbon dating or palaeographic dating?

Go ahead please..
 

Spirit of Light

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@Conscious thoughts - if you are apathetic to the oppression and plans of Iblis against the believers, and don't do anything - according to our ahadith you get counted as if you supported or did the oppression yourself. You have to find a way to have an impact for the forces of God and see in what Ahlulbayt (s) hope from you and see what their enemies fear from you.

It's not a choice, striving in God's way, seeking to give him something from your life in his way and commanding to good and forbidding evil and opposing injustice and taking side of the truthful, this is all necessary.

Don't be silent to oppressors as that is loudly saying to them "Do what you want!".
I believe when my Sufi teacher tell me to become full of unconditional love so that I one day can show the true path by actually walking it peacefully, to end every ounce of ego that may lay within me, and put others before me, so they can themself see the light by someone who wants to show how good Allah can be to us when we follow his example. But I do not see that in a physical fight.
 

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I believe when my Sufi teacher tell me to become full of unconditional love so that I one day can show the true path by actually walking it peacefully, to end every ounce of ego that may lay within me, and put others before me, so they can themself see the light by someone who wants to show how good Allah can be to us when we follow his example. But I do not see that in a physical fight.

Sufi teachers are astrologists, you should pay more attention to what Imam Hussain (a) said.
 

Spirit of Light

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Sufi teachers are astrologists, you should pay more attention to what Imam Hussain (a) said.
I have a teacher who guides me, That you do not like Sufi teaching or people who chose different teaching than your self, that is not something I can do anything about.

I have no need or wish to critique you for what you do
 

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The guidance of God includes guides from God, they should suffice you as guides along with his book.
 
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