There's been a war to separate the family of reminder, the house of guidance, from the written reminder and make people go to other than the chosen rope of God. Sufis are a big asset of Iblis in this regard.
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There's been a war to separate the family of reminder, the house of guidance, from the written reminder and make people go to other than the chosen rope of God. Sufis are a big asset of Iblis in this regard.
Spirit of Light
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Ah ok....
Probably a lot of locks comes from them in this regard. You are to break the locks of dark magic from Iblis on the Quran and see Ahlulbayt and their number and alias names that are different then their names in this world, in the Quran. If you don't do it, you will be counted among their enemies, enviers, and haters and God does not accept disbelief in his sent chosen ones from anyone, but wants us to love them and hold on to them as they are the only means to God.
Spirit of Light
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Why don't you worry about what Allah will say to you on judgment day, And I will worry what Allah tells me about being a Sufi and what it practices on judgment day?
I do worry and part of it, is because I have not shown the truth that I know to others to the best of my ability, and I worry if I don't perform my duty of commanding to good and forbidding evil, I will not be successful on that day. That and I been too much on the soft end of accepting disbelief. Disbelief is unacceptable.
Spirit of Light
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Sorry to say this, but you sound like you think you are Allah....And you are not
You aren't sorry, but it's okay. Your emotion means my words have waken you up to some degree.
Spirit of Light
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That is far from the truth.
I do not like to offend people, so every time I have to raise my voice even a little. it does hurt me to do so.
Subduction Zone
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What are you talking about? I think that you lost track of the conversation. What I said is true.
Subduction Zone
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Wikipedia is rather reliable. What do you think is? It is a sign of immaturity if one only trusts one's own personal sources. I assume that you did not like the Jewish source that I used at all. But they are likely to be more accurate than Islamic sources. Why do I make that claim? Right now Islam is a rather totalitarian religion. It needs to mature quite a bit yet.
Subduction Zone
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Some more so than others. This is a very poor complaint.
Try to reason logically. People do not change their religions easily. We can see that today. When there is no totalitarian pressure most Christians tend to remain Christians. Most Jews tend to remain Jews, Most Muslims tend to remain Muslims. Why would it have been any different in the past? Of course the difference is that in the past force was regularly used by the religions in power. And even with the Jews being almost powerless they still survived to this day. A reasonable person could see that force was the reason for new memberships.
firedragon
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You said God and Allah in meaning will change depending on who you ask. The question is a linguistic question, and you think this is subjective?
Alright. So tell me 3 different people who say different things about this. Are they scholars?
firedragon
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Excellent. This is your "historians". Thats it. "Wikipedia is a good source". Thats your answer.
Very good.
We Never Know
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Do you realize how many people here use Wikipedia as a source?
Many swear by it if it supports them yet condone it if it doesn't. Its a joke lol
Subduction Zone
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Now you are demanding scholars. You did not demand them earlier. I now Christians that will say that they are not the same God. I know Christians that say they are. Now if you said scholars I would say that most do. But if you think that all scholars are going to agree on one point you have not done much studying.
Subduction Zone
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It is probably more reliable than your sources. You clearly do not understand Wikipedia's strength. Please note that you did not even come up with a bad source. Wikipedia suffers only when it is a very modern concept or person that is being reported. Excessive biases can creep in. But for older ideas to make a change that sticks it needs to be well supported. Biased sources either way do not cut it. That anyone can edit it makes Wiki stronger, not weaker.
firedragon
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Thats actually false. I didnt "demand" anything. I just asked "are they scholars".
Thats false. See, the Arabic Bible says Allah. Right from the beginning.
And all scholars do agree with this. No one disputes it. That is, if they are scholars. But there are some uneducated people who make false claims. So if you accuse others of not studying, maybe you should teach others from what you have studied rather than just saying things.
So what have you studied, and where does it give different perspectives about Allah and God.
Subduction Zone
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You can do better than that.
firedragon
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What is your "historians"? I understand that since you have no knowledge on this you dont have a choice but to do some ad hominem to avoid the question.
You said that Historians would disagree with Muslims who say Islam was not spread by the sword. So which "historians" are you speaking about?
firedragon
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Very good answer. Super scholarly.