Do you think the Bible could be the word of G-d? /for atheists & agnostics

[Robert.Evans]

I suggest you read up on the 613 Commandments. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/756399/jewish/The-613-Commandments.htm

We are also told that we will not be able to keep the laws as they are holy laws. That should make, even someone like you, perhaps pause for thought. Come up for air Ingledsva, discuss it without ranting.

 

[Pudding]

Do you think that the Bible, *could be the word of G-d? Or divine? This question is for atheists and agnostics, but specification is needed for what type of agnosticism or atheism you are claiming.

*Or some, /any parts of the Bible

Do i think that the Bible could be the word of G-d or divine?
I don't know the true answer, i can only speculating, maybe yes or maybe no, both is possible.
Until i acquire the knowledge/evidence that it's not, i refrain to claims that it's not, but that doesn't mean it has been proven yes for me.
Until i acquire the knowledge/evidence/experience that it's yes, then i certainly don't claims to say it's yes.

And which version of the Bible you're refer to in the op?
List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia

 

[viole]

We are also told that we will not be able to keep the laws as they are holy laws. That should make, even someone like you, perhaps pause for thought. Come up for air Ingledsva, discuss it without ranting.

I wonder why someone would waste time to write laws that cannot be held.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Desert Snake]

I wonder why someone would waste time to write laws that cannot be held.

Ciao

- viole

Jesus modified the laws.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I wonder why someone would waste time to write laws that cannot be held.

Ciao

- viole

Because it comes from the higher realms where we existed before the world began. Intuitivly we know them. Viole, that is a long story. The only way one can, and it is within, within the spirit, is through the saviour. Man cannot acheive it, that is why we die.

 

[viole]

Jesus modified the laws.

Why did He do that? Were they not good enough?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Demonslayer]

Why did He do that? Were they not good enough?

"Perfect" beings are constantly correcting their mistakes, don'tcha know.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why did He do that? Were they not good enough?

Ciao

- viole

Hahahaha no, it isn't that; Jesu modified the laws within the existing context of them , for the betterment of the faith in that paradigm.

 

[Desert Snake]

"Perfect" beings are constantly correcting their mistakes, don'tcha know.

It isn't correcting mistakes, it's contextually modified laws. That isn't the same thing.

 

[viole]

Hahahaha no, it isn't that; Jesu modified the laws within the existing context of them , for the betterment of the faith in that paradigm.

Were the modified laws moral statements of what is good and bad?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Ingledsva]

You need to start listening to my explanation about my understanding, rather than force yours onto me.

That is not my God. Okay?

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I could start spewing stuff found only in my head - and call it Spiritually Discerned - as well.

However, we are discussing an actual text, with other ancient text commentary, - which proves how they understood it.

And again - as I have already asked. If the God of the Bible is NOT your God, how can you continue to argue from Biblical Laws, etc.?

What is the name of your God?

And what is the history/etymology of your "God"?

You keep repeating "Spiritually Discerned," but your arguments tell us you are a Christian using the Bible of YHVH.

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[Ingledsva]

I am answering. But I asked you, At the end of a battle, what would you do? There are women left and the men have fled. Do you leave them there? Do you take them with them but don't allow them to have kids? Do you run them through with a sword? Tell me. ' ll wait.

Spiritual discernment allows me to interpret the text better than you - not a surprise really when it is my subject and not yours. This is why you shouldn't be reading sacred text in the first place. Interesting however how it has the ability to make one believe and send another up the wall.

No it doesn't! It allows you to make up any old crap you want to, and claim it is Spiritually Discerned!

YES, you leave the women and children and noncombatants, - whom will gather together and take care of themselves.

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[Ingledsva]

I didn't say they didn't. I said that man does abuse things. I was telling you what the original law was for. Law was added to because man could not keep the original law, the original law of ten words.

You are talking pure baloney!

We have a story of broken tablets, and the reality of over 600 Hebrew Laws.

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Exodus 20 "God spoke" to all the people the words of the covenant, "even ten commandments" as it is written.

The people were afraid to hear more and moved "afar off", and Moses responded with "Fear not." Nevertheless, he drew near the "thick darkness" where "the presence of the Lord" was to hear the additional statutes and "judgments", (Exodus 21–23) all which he "wrote" in the "book of the covenant" which he read to the people the next morning, and they agreed to be obedient and do all that the LORD had said. Moses escorted a select group consisting of Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and "seventy of the elders of Israel" to a location on the mount where they worshipped "afar off" and they "saw the God of Israel" above a "paved work" like clear sapphire stone. (Exodus 24:1–11)

And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tablets of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. 13 And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God.

— First mention of the tablets in Exodus 24:12–13 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments



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[Ingledsva]

Again you don’t understand. The Ultimate One is Reflective. What you see now, whatever it might be, has happened before. That includes God. Does that mean there is more than one God. The simple answer is no- but there is separation.

It is the same idea as a family – they have the same name passed on.


And when you keep on about: “Then YHVH is obviously not God, and the Bible is written by Iron Age patriarchal men whom wanted to murder, enslave, and rape.” You show your true motives.

And how exactly is FACT - some feminist motive?????

You may not like some of what the Bible says, or where it started, but fact is fact.

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[Ingledsva]

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This is PURE RED HERRING! What would you do, has nothing to do with this.

Supposedly a God gave laws to his special people. One would expect these laws to improve that people, and people in general. Instead we have laws written by man allowing man to do what he wants - murder, RAPE, own REAL SLAVES FOREVER, etc.

You have answered nothing. You have too much of a problem with the OT God to get into any serious form of discussion. This is just therapy for you. A chance to hurl abuse. I have answered all your comments there and you have ignored them because they don't line up with your own non-believing ideology.

I have answered ALL, with actual Biblical texts, and related exegesis.

Facts - are not abuse. I showed the laws, - supposedly from your God, - allowing rape, murder of those different, slavery, etc.

LOL! Obviously I haven't ignored your comments, - as I have been rebutting you.

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[Ingledsva]

No, I have given you the truer meaning which doesn't fit your mindset

What is just in your brain, and not in the texts, ancient manuscripts concerning their meaning, and related exegesis, is not "truer meaning" in any debate, or reality.

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[Ingledsva]

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WOW! I can't believe you still don't understand what Agnosticism is, and what is being said to you.

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable. from Wikipedia

I know what agnostic means, and I know what YOU said. You should try reading your own writings some times.

LOL! Obviously YOU don't!

SO - any Agnostics, - (not me,) - with a slight bent to the - there might be a God side, - do not have to believe YOUR YHVH is that God.

You seem to be stuck believing any time "God" is used - it means YOUR choice of religion, - which of course it does NOT.

There is only ONE Ultimate God, and that is Yhvh. There is plenty of evidence of that considering the three main faiths come from it. You have serious problems with men ruling I think. That is why you don’t like the OT.

MY GOODNESS! I cannot believe how much of a theological rut you are stuck in. That YHVH is God - is JUST YOUR OPINION. It makes no difference that the three religions of Abraham have murdered, and then politically forced their way, into prominence.

You sound more and more like a woman.

LOL! Your patriarchal undies are showing stronger and stronger the more you open your mouth.

How you come up with - Agnostics not believing in YOUR idea of God - somehow makes them Atheists - is beyond me?

I didn’t come up with that, you just did. What I said is that you might well be agnostic but you have atheist comments. Tell me what the difference is. I have asked you once, I will ask you again: Do you believe in A God?

LOL! NO! You did! I have told you repeatedly that I am Agnostic, - and you have called me Atheist because I don't believe in - YOUR - God!

I have already explained the difference between Atheism and Agnosticism. Atheist = NO GOD - period! Agnostic = not knowable, might be, might not be.

I have not made ANY Atheist comments to you. Again, - not believing in - YOUR BIBLE, and it's GOD YHVH, - does not make me Atheist. The book speaks for itself. Far to much crap for it to be from a God.

Do I believe in a God? Scratches head and wonders why Robert can't understand what Agnosticism is?

Again - Agnosticism = not knowable, might be, might not be.

They could be leaning toward any God, or just some Divine Force, etc.

They could, and that would be the One God. The Ultimate. How much evidence do you need?

There is no proof of any God - let alone your murdering YHVH being a God. The proof against YVH is in your Bible.

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[Ingledsva]

We are also told that we will not be able to keep the laws as they are holy laws. That should make, even someone like you, perhaps pause for thought. Come up for air Ingledsva, discuss it without ranting.

I am discussing it without ranting.

You just don't like the FACTS I am presenting.

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[Ingledsva]

Hahahaha no, it isn't that; Jesu modified the laws within the existing context of them , for the betterment of the faith in that paradigm.

And what exactly are these modified Jesus laws?

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[Robert.Evans]

I could start spewing stuff

found only in my head - and call it Spiritually Discerned - as well.

but it wouldn't be.

However, we are discussing an actual text, with other ancient text commentary, -

which proves how they understood it.

It might be how THEY understood it. So? I am saying there was a right way and

they abused it. Mankind is good at doing things like that.

And again - as I have already asked. If the God of the Bible is NOT your God,

how can you continue to argue from Biblical Laws, etc.?

What is the name of your God?

I have told you it is the same name. Don't you listen?
To answer your first comment is pointless as you don't seem to understand what

I have already said.

And what is the history/etymology of your "God"?

You keep repeating "Spiritually Discerned," but your arguments tell us you are a

Christian using the Bible of YHVH.

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I am no Christian.
There is only One Ultimate. And that is the Name.
I say spiritually discerned because I know full well that I could not work this out

without it. He releases to you what he does. If he does not allow you to

understand, then you don't understand.