mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So I can't work. What now?
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Do you think there is a God? If so, why?
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So I can't work. What now?
RestlessSoul
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RestlessSoul
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And yet there’s no shortage of believers. How is it that you feel qualified to pronounce that they all believe without reason? That seems rather unreasonable to me.
Do you need someone else to decide that for you?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
As long as you don't confuse your brain and my brain as the exact same nature, then okay. If you do, I will point it out.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It is not a decision in me. It is my nature. You are such a normie at times.
I'm sorry if you are not capable of deciding what is next for you however you seem quite competent and capable in your debating skills.
Still I am simply accepting that I don't know you well enough to make decisions for you. If that is normal I guess I am guilty.
Just last night I had a dream that I was traveling with my girlfriend and we met up with some other couple. We ended up backstage at a concert, and at some point there were the White Stripes warming up. They ended up not being the band that performed. Why were they in my dream and not even playing at the concert? I'm not really a fan of theirs. Weird. I can tell you I didn't interact with this other couple as we humans do with other actual people in every day life, nor with the White Stripes.
Illusions created in minds are not independent of the mind, so not an interaction in he context being discussed. What you are describing would b more of a reaction to illusions/dreams that could be mistaken as real experiences. I can remeber several occassions waking up from amazing dreams and actually believing they really happens for a number of seconds until I regained my conscious awareness. That really sucked. I mean I was really, super disappointed.
This illustrates that our minds can be lost in what seems real, but isn't. I suggest many more fervent theists can deliberately create illusions that they work to believe are true and real. I think they use debate as a way to defend their illusions to critics and this acts to strengthen their resolve within their own minds.
So if I take a hammer and hit your left foot with it the existence of the hammer and your left foor being hit is just "a case of rationalism in philosophy and in effect is no different than say God"? You're just going to chose to ignore the agony of a broken left foot, and not bother going to a hospital? But hey, hospitals are just "a concept is a case of rationalism in philosophy and in effect is no different than say God", so why bother going?
I'm sure even you understand that you are an actual living human being that has a set of actual experiences that are not concepts in your mind, yes? Your heart beats and pumps your blood, and none of that is a reality that your mind creates, yes? When you have an urge to go to the bathroom do you sit there and ponder whether the pressure in your colon is real or not? Or do you feel the urge and just go because there is a cause and effect you recognize given prior experiences?
Really, so obtaining a bottle is all that's involved in getting three wishes granted by a genie? I need to go raid my glass recycling bin and get busy making wishes.
Or is there a huge flaw in your reply?
"Reason to believe" would be dependent upon the individual who either accepts what is said about Self-realization or denies it.
Who told you to interpret the Bible literally?
These aren't factual statements. So why are you basing your decision that a God exists on them?
RestlessSoul
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But if consciousness is reducible to chemical and electromagnetic activity in the brain, then the conscious filter of reason is as much enslaved by biological instinct, as is any other function of the body.
The word "my" should be a clue, as opposed to your or our.
However if I start telling you what you ought to be trusting or not be sure and let me know.
Then anything goes. What any arbitrary person believes can be total fantasy or accidentally true. Without standards of reasoning a human (that is capable of disciplined thinking: reasoning) can't really know what is false and what is true, they are just like robots lost in a fantasy. How do such people make sound judgments in life? Do you think the 9-11 hijackers would have flown planes into buildings if they were skilled, rational thinkers who followed facts to sound conclusions?
They flew planes into buildings because they followed you "anything goes" approach, where truth is at the whim of any arbitrary person. Bad people believing this way will pose a bigger threat to society.
Have you ever had a lucid dream? A dream where your dream character knows he's dreaming...knows the real you is lying in bed asleep and dreaming? Why doesn't your dream character dismiss that person lying in bed as an illusion or the consider the knowledge that you are lying in bed asleep and dreaming as mistaken?
Do you think someone should accept something as true if they have no reason for it?
RestlessSoul
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It seems to me that your logic amounts to “The curtains are drawn and I can’t see out of the window, so I have no reason to believe there is anything out there.”
I'm amused at how you are comparing enlightened sages with the 9/11 hijackers.
No, I am a polytheist and animist for whom there are many gods/spirits. I experience the world as composed of many different things with many different natures that interrelate and interconnect to one another; those are the gods/spirits. I do not envision them as much as experience them in my day-to-day existence. Sky is Sky, Sun is Sun, Tree is Tree, River is River, Wind is Wind...
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
I can only describe the god I believe in with help of analogy. Any description I give of God, is not meant literally.
To use an analogy from our current times; God is “like” an intelligent, universal server, containing all existing data.
In God, all information is “stored” and all that is within God (everything) is/becomes eternal.
As only God possess all existing data, only God knows the “full picture” and understands how it all is intertwined.
Humbly,
Hermit