Do You Think You Would Regret.....

[MysticSang'ha]

God does say that there wil be no excuse at judgment day
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
See, the logic of observation around us is part of what God uses to confirm his existence and his person

How does "making excuses" have anything to do with my response? I am more concerned with God's state of mind, not my own, were I to find myself in the reality that you perceive. That isn't an excuse. That is me with the intention of continuing the practice of loving kindness. Could you expound on your reply to my post?



Peace,
Mystic

 

[YmirGF]

How does "making excuses" have anything to do with my response? I am more concerned with God's state of mind, not my own, were I to find myself in the reality that you perceive. That isn't an excuse. That is me with the intention of continuing the practice of loving kindness. Could you expound on your reply to my post?

I certainly agree Mystic'Heather. I'm such a dork at heart, I'd prolly ask for a phone book and then look up Anger Management classes available in his area. If he didn't need said classes prior to my arrival, it is likely he would afterwards. If Roli is right, I don't pity myself, I pity to poor beggars that follow me in line, lol. YOIKES. "Duck and cover", springs to mind.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I certainly agree Mystic'Heather. I'm such a dork at heart, I'd prolly ask for a phone book and then look up Anger Management classes available in his area. If he didn't need said classes prior to my arrival, it is likely he would afterwards. If Roli is right, I don't pity myself, I pity to poor beggars that follow me in line, lol. YOIKES. "Duck and cover", springs to mind.

On that note, I could also offer something to him that usually works for my husband when he gets frustrated and angry...........


1) Do some push-ups
2) Play some "Rainbow 6 Vegas" on the XBox 360 or another first-person shooter game
3) Take a walk for about an hour
4) Get some headphones and some hard-rock music...........Van Halen gets my husband in a better mood, but whatever floats yer boat



What works for me:
1) Vipassana meditation
2) Playing with the dog
3) Watching the movie Airplane
4) Or anything from Monty Python works, too
5) Listening to the Beastie Boys and cranking up the volume



I'd hate to see God in such a bad mood. Hopefully with a tub of popcorn in hand and laughing to Airplane can help assuage his anger.



"Joey, have you ever seen the inside of a Turkish prison?"
"Ever seen a grown man naked?"




But this is one of my all-time favorite movie dialogues where we get to see Mrs. Cleaver speak jive.



"Randy: Can I get you something?
Second Jive Dude: 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!
Randy: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
First Jive Dude: Cutty say 'e can't HANG!
Jive Lady (Mrs. Cleaver): Oh stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy: Oh, good.
Jive Lady: He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy: All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady: Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da' rebound on da' med side.
Second Jive Dude: What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady: Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
First Jive Dude: Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady: Jive *** dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph! "




LOL




Hopefully better moods will bring better understanding. It's worth a shot, eh?



Peace,
Mystic

 

[PureX]

If you did stand before God the moment you leave this life ,"Do You think you would regret the fact that you spent your life pursuing logic,reason,emperical evidence,refuting the christian theological doctrines ,evidence,historical/geographical studies,the bible,Jesus ,God Heaven,Judgement,hell punishment.
Or would you continue to refute ,justify,excuse yourself before God.
Would you blame God for not following after him because of the hypocracy,all the denominations,the conflict between the christian community,the atrocities of historical religion and so on.......

Or would you be regretful,humble and ashamed that you made the wrong choices.
Would you at that point beg for mercy,or do you think you would submit to his decision of eternal punishment.
What would you do????

No, no, and no. I wouldn't.

My only regret will be that I had lived so full of fear and confusion that I missed so many opportunities to express my love for others. Being logical, and reasonable, and thoughtful is not a regret because it's an expression of my love: it's a way of overcoming my fear and confusion. It's also an expression of faith, because it shows that I trust in the reality (truth) of creation. If you think you're going to shame me for using my mind, and my ability to think clearly and rationally and logically about God or life or myself or my brothers and sisters, well, it ain't gonna work. To be calm, and rational, and skeptical, and reflective, and thoughtful, and to use logic to try and verify my thoughts and ideas, these are some of the things I will be proud of having done. Because these are some of the ways in which I DID express my love for others.

 

[zombieharlot]

Is there any particular reason as to why you make such a bold statement
Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he:

God's love is supposedly greater than what any human can give. But I can't imagine any parent who truly loves their child to send their child to hell. As far as I'm concerned, true love isn't conditional. And for a god to send some of his children to hell while saving others seems like a very conditional thing to me. So, I don't think His love is all that great.

If I end up in hell it's obviously because I'm defective, whether I rewired myself to be that way or not. And if I do not meet the conditional standards that God has set for all humanity to live by, then I will gladly be tossed away with all the other human scraps.

 

[None]

I don't think Hell would be very useful to God. It seems like He just wants some revenge for not believing in Him.

 

[Scuba Pete]

If you did stand before God the moment you leave this life ,"

You remind me of someone's alter ego.

 

[Kungfuzed]

Jeez louise.
If at the moment you leave this life, you look into the abyss and see that there is nothing there, do you think you think you would regret the fact that you spent your life pursuing your beliefs at the expense of this life?
Or would you continue to justify your beliefs in the face of the abyss.
Or would you be regretful,humble and ashamed that you made the wrong choices.
What would you do????


Your whole scenario requires that people buy into the idea that you are ultimately right. If we actually bought into that we would all be (your kind of) Christian now, wouldn't we?


Whatever happens ar the moment of death I will have no regrets, because I'm trying to live this one precious life as best as I can according to my conscience, and not in the hopes of gaining reward or avoiding punishment.

Awww man! I was just about to frubal you but I can't cause I already frubaled you earlier for helping me with my sudoku puzzle. Can somebody frubal her for me?

I totally agree. If you live your life the best way you know how, what is there to regret? If my consience is clean then what power does God or Satan have over me? I can live my life in peace without fear of either of them.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Awww man! I was just about to frubal you but I can't cause I already frubaled you earlier for helping me with my sudoku puzzle. Can somebody frubal her for me?

I did, but it's already a worthy post. Lilithu has that knack of doing that with every single post here.

I totally agree. If you live your life the best way you know how, what is there to regret? If my consience is clean then what power does God or Satan have over me? I can live my life in peace without fear of either of them.

Excellent.



Care to join me and God with some popcorn and a movie? opcorn:



Peace,
Mystic

 

[michel]

If you did stand before God the moment you leave this life ,"Do You think you would regret the fact that you spent your life pursuing logic,reason,emperical evidence,

No, because I believe as a human, it would be expected of me to do so; I have removed all the other "regrets" because I am a theist, and they would be not applicable.

Or would you be regretful,humble and ashamed that you made the wrong choices.
Would you at that point beg for mercy,or do you think you would submit to his decision of eternal punishment.
What would you do????

I already have a list of things I wish I hadn't done, and I already have the regret for those; I don't believe that God would suject me to eternal punishment, but, if he did, I would accept it. What else could I do?

 

[roli]

A fair question.




If God truly exists, and he truly feels suffering for knowing that I did not realize him as my Father at my judgement, and he is saddened by my punishment..........then the truly correct and selfless way to view it would be for me to feel compassion for him and for his position.



Peace,
Mystic

By sharing the fact that God will not allow excuses, I am saying that he will by the end of your life have given you and everyone of us an opportunity to choose him,by that I mean we will have had many things said to us about God,we would have heard something from someone at one point or another,a particular circumstance for instance or we would have read something to trigger a response to recognise God as father and Jesus as Lord.
Something somewhere in each life there will have been an opportunity to find and follow God
Not countinmg the creation itself that God says, bears witness of a creator, Romans 1,2
The real question is why did we not fully respond.
Man feels there are alot of things that would have to be surrendered over if I were to follow him,why it seems easier say there is a lack of evidence and try to blame God for this or that.
We show anger towards him when we look at the world and say he's responsible.we tend to intellectualize and develope rational mindsets,debates,logical reasonings behind how a could'nt existetc,etc,all this does is justify the existence of God and what will all be inexcusable on that day
Pleasures,indulgences,pride,selfishness,intellect,the fact that no man in his right mind really wants to be told how to live life,yet we are told what,when,where to do things everyday,but something about a christian God telling us seems provoking to the core.

In regards to the scripture I shared that says there will be no excuse,it actually means from the evidence of creation itself ,if nothingelse as in evidence was set before us ,creation would be enough to convince us of a creator and cause us to call on him.
I mean we research and attain information on everything in this world ,there is no resaon or excuse as to why we did'nt call on God,if we had one slight notion that there is or could be a God through something that provoked us to think that.
Why did'nt we call on him, will be the real question,maybe when you were 12,20,30 yrs of age.
If it was one word ,say from me that made you think about God and his existence etc.
Then that is what God will bring to our minds when we stand before him
The problem is that we more than likely neglected that voice,that word,that experience,or circumstance that God used to reach us.
There are more reasons in the heart of man that would cause mankind to neglect,refute,disbelieve,not choose to follow after God than we have time to get into now,but a few that come to mind that would cause us to not turn or even view God as God, could be the desires of our carnal nature, our pleasures,passions and desires,
What kind of freedoms and practices would one have to give up in order to follow a holy God is I believe at the centre of every excuse to not follow after God.

And yes, I understand and respect the fact that many will never choose Him and that is their right,I don't judge them on their own decisions,I am just saying I believe there will be no excuses,not even the ones that seem so valid.

 

[Scuba Pete]

By sharing the fact that God will not allow excuses, I am saying that he will by the end of your life have given you and everyone of us an opportunity to choose him,

Fortunately, God does not get hung up by semantics. That's reserved for us humans!

Choose love and you will have chosen God.

Matthew 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'NIV

Choose love!

 

[roli]

No, no, and no. I wouldn't.

My only regret will be that I had lived so full of fear and confusion that I missed so many opportunities to express my love for others. Being logical, and reasonable, and thoughtful is not a regret because it's an expression of my love: it's a way of overcoming my fear and confusion. It's also an expression of faith, because it shows that I trust in the reality (truth) of creation. If you think you're going to shame me for using my mind, and my ability to think clearly and rationally and logically about God or life or myself or my brothers and sisters, well, it ain't gonna work. To be calm, and rational, and skeptical, and reflective, and thoughtful, and to use logic to try and verify my thoughts and ideas, these are some of the things I will be proud of having done. Because these are some of the ways in which I DID express my love for others.

Fear for not loving others pales in comparison to not fully and truly with fear loving your creator.
I see that more expressed in our world than the love for God.
I do understand why ,but primarily it's not others that we are here for as much as it is to find and have relationship with God
I am not talking about fearing God as you may define fear,fear is reverence,awe,respect,much like what you have for any judge or justice system.
For that matter any figure in authority,like a father or teacher,or boss.
You may have your opinions about that judge and justice system,but you have a healthy fear and respect for him and what power he has at his disposal, especially if you were found standing before him.
The things many say to and about God now in the their place of liberality may find themselves speachless and subject before Him on that day,much like all your views towards the judge.
Our feelings may not change but most certainly our right to voice positon,views and opinions of the judge will change, as will our freedom to express ourselves so bluntly because of the enviroment we find ourselves in, that being a courtroom
On the street ,in your home and among others we can call that judge everything in the book but before him,you will be different.

If you broke the law,you may call the judge this or that,refuse to accept him and what he says and stands for, but in the end it will resolve nothing,your still subject to him.

That's awesome,love truly is the thing that will bring about unity and peace in this world,but as you have mentioned repeatedly and many others as well,our best human expression of love is one thing ,and by the way, I do respect the fact that you feel that way towards others,but our love towards others is truly lacking in comaprison to the love of God.If we truly understood his love.
Although that is another topic and one we can't get into here, our inability to comprehend the love of God is our downfall ,because it is out of that love that he does what he does and allows the same that is why he is God and we are who we are.
That being Opinionated,judgemental,critical,and condemning towards him all from a place of ignorance of who he is.
If a synopsis was done on our lives and all we said and did to others was compared to the actual definition of "love" being the love found in God and in his word,we all fall short.
I know this is a bible verse ,but this is a better definition of Love then webster's
1Cor 13 4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. 6 It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out
True love is what we find in the person of Jesus,that love only found in and through him,begs in comparison to what we so nobly call ,"love"

 

[roli]

Fortunately, God does not get hung up by semantics. That's reserved for us humans!

Choose love and you will have chosen God.

Matthew 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'NIV

Choose love!

I agree with you on the semantics,but this must be clearly stated and defined,from the christian perspective,as to not cause any to veer into self righteousness
That's our problem we try to love and try to do good things ,moral things,nobel and honourable things to our fellow man almost sounding somewhat dignified by doing them.
As they are excellent things to do ,it does not nor will it ever proceed that first act of loving God.
The first command is love God first with all your heart
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Than we can truly love ourselves,which will cause us to love our neighbors
If my love for others could make me right with God,or even make be a better person,before I first have Christ living in me,than I can earn salvation by own merit and on my own accord,but as grace would have it ,
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
On the contrary , choose God first and you will have choosen the love you need to love,forgive,accept and lay down your life for others.
Right now ,the love without the love of God in our hearts is a cheap imitation of true love.hich is found in
1Cor 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. 6 It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance
The test for this will come this week for all of us,than you will know if you passed
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[UnTheist]

Choose love!

Got it

 

[MaddLlama]

Roli, is it strange to you that non-Christians would choose to stand by our own convictions and beliefs even in the face of death?
Would you bow to another god if it turned out that in the end you were wrong? Hypothetical situation - I know you don't believe it could happen, but take a second to suspend your belief and consider that question. I think if you're asking it of us (since it also requires the rest of us to suspend our own beliefs), we deserve the same courtesy.

 

[PureX]

Fear for not loving others pales in comparison to not fully and truly with fear loving your creator.
I see that more expressed in our world than the love for God.
I do understand why ,but primarily it's not others that we are here for as much as it is to find and have relationship with God

But to me, and according to Christian theology, it's through each other that we relate to God. As I see and do to myself and my fellow humans, I see and do to God. "Christ" is God's spirit "made flesh". Christ is God's spirit of love and forgiveness expressing itself in and through me, to you, and in and through you, to me. Christ is the human expression of God's love and forgiveness, and as this love is being expressed in and through us, it heals us and saves us from ourselves. Thus, Christ is our salvation.

I believe that to seperate our relationship with God, and our love of God, from our relationship with each other and our love of each other, is essentially to embrace an anti-Christian idea.

I am not talking about fearing God as you may define fear,fear is reverence,awe,respect,much like what you have for any judge or justice system.
For that matter any figure in authority,like a father or teacher,or boss.
You may have your opinions about that judge and justice system,but you have a healthy fear and respect for him and what power he has at his disposal, especially if you were found standing before him.

I have no fear of God, really. I only feel fear because of my ego. Ego is an illusion of myself, created in my mind, that's always afraid of being recognized as an illusion. It's a nuesence that I can't really make go away, but I try not to pay much attention to it.

The things many say to and about God now in the their place of liberality may find themselves speachless and subject before Him on that day,much like all your views towards the judge.

We'll see. You may not know all you think YOU know, too. It's just as likely that you'll be wrong as that I will. But I'm not really that worried about being wrong so much as I want to try and be honest about it. I think my honesty is far more important than my righteousness.

Our feelings may not change but most certainly our right to voice positon,views and opinions of the judge will change, as will our freedom to express ourselves so bluntly because of the enviroment we find ourselves in, that being a courtroom
On the street ,in your home and among others we can call that judge everything in the book but before him,you will be different.

Yeah, yeah, power and all that. Power doesn't impress me. And frankly, I really don't think God's about power.

That's awesome,love truly is the thing that will bring about unity and peace in this world,but as you have mentioned repeatedly and many others as well,our best human expression of love is one thing ,and by the way, I do respect the fact that you feel that way towards others,but our love towards others is truly lacking in comaprison to the love of God.If we truly understood his love.

We are not God. And God does not expect us to be God. We're just human expressions of God ... imperfect, confused, frightened, but expressions of God's love and forgiveness, nevertheless. I don't believe that God expects us to be something we are not, and cannot be. So I'm not worried about being punished for it. My task is to try to express God's love, not to always succeed at it. Just as my goal is to try to be honest, not necessarily to be "right".

Although that is another topic and one we can't get into here, our inability to comprehend the love of God is our downfall ,because it is out of that love that he does what he does and allows the same that is why he is God and we are who we are.
That being Opinionated,judgemental,critical,and condemning towards him all from a place of ignorance of who he is.
If a synopsis was done on our lives and all we said and did to others was compared to the actual definition of "love" being the love found in God and in his word,we all fall short.
I know this is a bible verse ,but this is a better definition of Love then webster's
1Cor 13 4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. 6 It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out
True love is what we find in the person of Jesus,that love only found in and through him,begs in comparison to what we so nobly call ,"love"

I believe in God's grace, so it's all good. I'm not worried, except when I fall into my own egotistical foolishness, which I try not to take seriously.

I thank you for your post, and sincerely appreciate your sharing your views.

God Bless you.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I agree with you on the semantics,but this must be clearly stated and defined,from the christian perspective,as to not cause any to veer into self righteousness
That's our problem we try to love and try to do good things ,

That's not our BIGGEST problem. Our biggest problem lies with those who would make the Scriptures into a rule book rather than a book of life. This is what the First Century Pharisees were condemned for. Legalism is alive and rampant in threads like this.

Just choose love and let God do the rest.

 

[MaddLlama]

That's not our BIGGEST problem. Our biggest problem lies with those who would make the Scriptures into a rule book rather than a book of life. This is what the First Century Pharisees were condemned for. Legalism is alive and rampant in threads like this.

Just choose love and let God do the rest.

*nod* You can always spot the legalists, because they can't seem to make a statement of any kind without rattling off at least 3 direct (and often times out of context) scripture references.

 

[Scuba Pete]

*nod* You can always spot the legalists, because they can't seem to make a statement of any kind without rattling off at least 3 direct (and often times out of context) scripture references.

<cough cough> Uh, I am OFTEN found quoting scripture. I don't think many would consider me a legalist.