Do you understand the New Testament

[free spirit]

Believe me what i am speaking does that "conforming to godliness". When someone drops the idol of the heart of freewill it does just that conform to godliness, It helps open up the scriptures and the truths of God exponentially and you get a real glimspe at the plan and purpose of God, but what do i know.

I never mentioned anything about man not being able to change. We just cant change on our own, by our own power without God is what i and the Word are saying. If anything what i am saying should give you more hope and depend on God more to bring about a change in you, instead of relying on oneself. I know the feeling your feeling-- its called dethroning oneself. But your not seeing the other side. What does Jesus say in Revelations "to him that overcomes...sit with me on my throne". Jesus is not selfish, if you let Him in, in on His rightful place He will share His throne with you. But He wont do that until you are willing to step down first. Either you can voluntarily do it now in this age or in judgment He will make you--but still He will share with you.

Isnt God so loving?

I know for a fact (no just faith) that Jesus is in my heart: I have seen him there, I have obeyed him, and I have disobeyed him.
When I obey him he is on the throne, when I disobeyed him I was on the throne. That is good and bad because Jesus rightful place is to be on the throne all the time; so I recognize that I must be obedient all the times he moves me to do something in any given situation regardless of the consequences, or my personal feelings.

So now you explain to me how you have enthroned Jesus in your heart.

 

[AK4]

You lost me here, go back to the parable of the wine and wineskins, or the parable before that. What you said in the first post is near to the truth but I cannot quite grasp it.

Basically The "Chosen" live by the New Covenant: The "Called" try to live by the New and the Old Covenants. They have never learned this simple lesson: "No servant can serve TWO masters…" (Luke 16:13). If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are in the Church. But if you are in Christ Jesus, then you are no longer in the physical carnal church, but in God’s spiritual Church—the very Body of Christ.

Yes knowing the law is good but grace and truth is better. Notice truth is in there. One needs to know the truths of God also to inherit the Kingdom. Like i said earlier in this thread, if you believe a lie and worship God through this lie, are you worshipping God in spirit and TRUTH?

Again the example of for ever and ever. One worships Jesus saying He will reign for ever and ever. Is this truth? Nope, not according to the scriptures, so is this really worshipping Him?

Anyway the law is milk. The churches out there teach the milk i.e. Jesus died for our sins (although they still really dont believe that). Anyone without the Spirit of God can almost read the NT and get the milk and see the physical, but it takes the Spirit to see the depths of God and the spiritual in the Word--this is were the meat comes in.

Thats why Jesus says we cant mix the two wineskins and Paul further explains it with milk verse meat.

 

[AK4]

I know for a fact (no just faith) that Jesus is in my heart: I have seen him there, I have obeyed him, and I have disobeyed him.
When I obey him he is on the throne, when I disobeyed him I was on the throne. That is good and bad because Jesus rightful place is to be on the throne all the time; so I recognize that I must be obedient all the times he moves me to do something in any given situation regardless of the consequences, or my personal fillings.

So now you explain to me how you have enthroned Jesus in your heart.

Basically when i learned the full truth of freewill and the trinity i was able to "see" who/what is the Father and who is Jesus Christ and thats when Jesus had permenantly sat down on His throne. And He shares it with me. I am at rest. I know whatever God is working in me to will and to do is His work and not mine. Its wonderful and my conscience is clear. I know if i slip up that its okay that i am to learn from it and it was purposeful and needful for it to happen. Its just Jesus and His God way of perfecting me. I see God using evil on me to perfect me. Cant say i like all the time, but hey what can you do. Thats why in Hebrews we are reminded that no chastening seems good at the time...

Its a wonderful place to be, but frustrating because "Lord who believes our report". Ha ha its funny because if i read what i just put and it was from somebody else and i didnt know what i know now i would think hes a crack pot. Maybe you think that also, it matters not. Just doing my part in spreading the Gospel.

EDIT-- i must change that permenantly to "until He turns it over to God the Father"---dont want people getting the wrong idea with forever and change Gospel to the true Gospel and "knowledge of the truth"

 

[free spirit]

Basically The "Chosen" live by the New Covenant: The "Called" try to live by the New and the Old Covenants. They have never learned this simple lesson: "No servant can serve TWO masters…" (Luke 16:13). If you believe in Jesus Christ, you are in the Church. But if you are in Christ Jesus, then you are no longer in the physical carnal church, but in God’s spiritual Church—the very Body of Christ.

Yes knowing the law is good but grace and truth is better. Notice truth is in there. One needs to know the truths of God also to inherit the Kingdom. Like i said earlier in this thread, if you believe a lie and worship God through this lie, are you worshipping God in spirit and TRUTH?

Again the example of for ever and ever. One worships Jesus saying He will reign for ever and ever. Is this truth? Nope, not according to the scriptures, so is this really worshipping Him?

Anyway the law is milk. The churches out there teach the milk i.e. Jesus died for our sins (although they still really dont believe that). Anyone without the Spirit of God can almost read the NT and get the milk and see the physical, but it takes the Spirit to see the depths of God and the spiritual in the Word--this is were the meat comes in.

Thats why Jesus says we can mix the two wineskins and Paul further explains it with milk verse meat.

It is not quiet what I was looking for: So I will rest in the Lord on that one, and when I am enlighten about it I let you know.

 

[AK4]

It is not quiet what I was looking for: So I will rest in the Lord on that one, and when I am enlighten about it I let you know.

I guess i just dont know what specifically you are not grasping or what you are asking for. Is it whats the differences in the covenants? The parable before the wineskins is saying the same thing as wineskins.

I will give you an example. JWs and those in the WWCG think that they can do better than the jews and keep the Old covenant better--thats their new covenant. I know because i was once in the WWCG. Thats putting the new wine in the old wineskins. We thought we could just keep the ten commandments better. I learned all about the physical in that church and boy was i in bondage. Trying to keep the sabbath day was the hardest of all the ""yokes". Thank God He brought me out of her (Rev 18:4).

 

[free spirit]

I guess i just dont know what specifically you are not grasping or what you are asking for. Is it whats the differences in the covenants? The parable before the wineskins is saying the same thing as wineskins.

I will give you an example. JWs and those in the WWCG think that they can do better than the jews and keep the Old covenant better--thats their new covenant. I know because i was once in the WWCG. Thats putting the new wine in the old wineskins. We thought we could just keep the ten commandments better. I learned all about the physical in that church and boy was i in bondage. Trying to keep the sabbath day was the hardest of all the ""yokes". Thank God He brought me out of her (Rev 18:4).

When you first explained the wine and the wineskin you lit a fuse in me, so I have to wait until it reaches the charge.
What WWCG stands for?

 

[free spirit]

Basically when i learned the full truth of freewill and the trinity i was able to "see" who/what is the Father and who is Jesus Christ and thats when Jesus had permenantly sat down on His throne. And He shares it with me. I am at rest. I know whatever God is working in me to will and to do is His work and not mine. Its wonderful and my conscience is clear. I know if i slip up that its okay that i am to learn from it and it was purposeful and needful for it to happen. Its just Jesus and His God way of perfecting me. I see God using evil on me to perfect me. Cant say i like all the time, but hey what can you do. Thats why in Hebrews we are reminded that no chastening seems good at the time...

Its a wonderful place to be, but frustrating because "Lord who believes our report". Ha ha its funny because if i read what i just put and it was from somebody else and i didnt know what i know now i would think hes a crack pot. Maybe you think that also, it matters not. Just doing my part in spreading the Gospel.

EDIT-- i must change that permenantly to "until He turns it over to God the Father"---dont want people getting the wrong idea with forever and change Gospel to the true Gospel and "knowledge of the truth"

In Ephesians 3:19, we read, "And to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God."
In other words
"And to experience in your character the love of Christ that is more than any knowledge, and with that love you will be filled up to all the fullness of God."

In 1 Corinthians 13:2 - 3, we read "And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have HIS love CHARACTER, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have HIS love CHARACTER, it profits me nothing."
VERSES 4 to 8, explains in detail the love character.
Yes AK4 to know the scriptures increases our confidence and power to deliver that message, but his love character is sovereign, Have you ever experienced the switch?
Love is an emotion, also hate is an emotion, I am sure you like all of us have felt hate raising up by itself in your heart, especially in the presence of an injustice.
I have felt the love emotion rise by itself two times, once for a total stranger, that love wanted me to help him. And I did not. The other time was for a member of my family which I had just disciplined.
Believe me AK4 I wish I could feel that love of God in me more often. It is out of this world.

 

[AK4]

When you first explained the wine and the wineskin you lit a fuse in me, so I have to wait until it reaches the charge.
What WWCG stands for?

Worldwide Church of God---and all its branches. Courtesy of Herbert Armstrong. I fell under the Ron Weinland and his false prophecies. Have you seen his two books, full of false unfullfilled prophecies--2008 Gods Final Witness and The Prophecied End-Times? None of his prophecies came true yet people still follow this nut. Unbelievable.

 

[AK4]

In Ephesians 3:19, we read, "And to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God."
In other words
"And to experience in your character the love of Christ that is more than any knowledge, and with that love you will be filled up to all the fullness of God."

In 1 Corinthians 13:2 - 3, we read "And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have HIS love CHARACTER, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have HIS love CHARACTER, it profits me nothing."
VERSES 4 to 8, explains in detail the love character.
Yes AK4 to know the scriptures increases our confidence and power to deliver that message, but his love character is sovereign, Have you ever experienced the switch?
Love is an emotion, also hate is an emotion, I am sure you like all of us have felt hate raising up by itself in your heart, especially in the presence of an injustice.
I have felt the love emotion rise by itself two times, once for a total stranger, that love wanted me to help him. And I did not. The other time was for a member of my family which I had just disciplined.
Believe me AK4 I wish I could feel that love of God in me more often. It is out of this world.

Yes His love is out of this world. I continue to experience it. I dont know about a switch but i do experience them both at the same time. The scriptures are not to me just "head knowledge". If one is "reading without heeding" then yes that 1 Corinthians verse applies. I share what i know out of love, not because i want to debate or argue. Just as the scripture say "He wills all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth". I want the same thing--even for the person that is my thorn in the flesh--and that was a hard lesson God taught me "love thy enemies".

Part of Jesus' character is to hate things, yes even people. Its not a permanent hatred but until He places His judgments on them to set them straight and they learn righteousness He does hate or love less by comparison that person. I know this character part of our Lord. I experience and exhibit this character of Jesus also with some of the people i come in contact with, especially those in our corrupt justice system.

Just look at some of Jesus' character in the gospels to those who willfully stay ignorant to the truth/scriptures. Then compare it to the "sinners" who maybe were ignorant to the truth/scriptures but was willing to learn and change/repent.

 

[AK4]

To freespirit or anyone interested in answering

I will start with you but i will probably start a new thread with a poll and see what every thinks. But a quick question:

Do you believe God intended everyone/the masses of humanity to understand the scriptures?

 

[free spirit]

Yes His love is out of this world. I continue to experience it. I dont know about a switch but i do experience them both at the same time. The scriptures are not to me just "head knowledge". If one is "reading without heeding" then yes that 1 Corinthians verse applies. I share what i know out of love, not because i want to debate or argue. Just as the scripture say "He wills all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth". I want the same thing--even for the person that is my thorn in the flesh--and that was a hard lesson God taught me "love thy enemies".
Even our friend "Sojourner" you must admit you need help to love him.

Part of Jesus' character is to hate things, yes even people. Its not a permanent hatred but until He places His judgments on them to set them straight and they learn righteousness He does hate or love less by comparison that person. I know this character part of our Lord. I experience and exhibit this character of Jesus also with some of the people i come in contact with, especially those in our corrupt justice system.
I do not understand you, why did you say that unwise things above, haven't you read in Matthew 5:44 to 48, "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your father who is in heaven; for he causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. for if you love those who love you, what reward have you? do not even the tax gatherers do the same? and if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? do not even the gentiles do the same? therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect." Jesus said that and he is not a hypocrite, so Jesus was unable to hate.

Just look at some of Jesus' character in the gospels to those who willfully stay ignorant to the truth/scriptures. He rebuked them for been Hippocrates, but he did not hate them.
Then compare it to the "sinners" who maybe were ignorant to the truth/scriptures but was willing to learn and change/repent.

The sinner has nothing to hide, he knows that he is a sinner and he is not afraid to say that, so he is open to receive help.

 

[free spirit]

Worldwide Church of God---and all its branches. Courtesy of Herbert Armstrong. I fell under the Ron Weinland and his false prophecies. Have you seen his two books, full of false unfullfilled prophecies--2008 Gods Final Witness and The Prophecied End-Times? None of his prophecies came true yet people still follow this nut. Unbelievable.

People after accepting the strong man teachings became his willing captives, you are fortunate to have escaped.
Glory to God

 

[free spirit]

To freespirit or anyone interested in answering

I will start with you but i will probably start a new thread with a poll and see what every thinks. But a quick question:

Do you believe God intended everyone/the masses of humanity to understand the scriptures?

God is not partial to any man. But men with his inequity blinds and deafens himself.

 

[AK4]

Even our friend "Sojourner" you must admit you need help to love him.

Wow. thats a pretty strong assertion. I dont hate him at all, i dont even know him like that. I hate the doctrines he may teach thats it. I know he may be decieved on some things, but i dont ultimately hold that against him. Or anyone else for that matter.

I do not understand you, why did you say that unwise things above,

Am i the only one actually reads all the words? Am i the only in this forum able to not have what the church and the world teach be "the final say so" on things. The church teaches of a soft spoken light hearted almost a push over Jesus. Take out the push over and the question becomes Is this the only character trait of our Lord? Here meet the real Jesus---

There are many examples of Jesus upbraiding the Church leaders for their gross sins [selections from Matthew 23]:

"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN…
…THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… you DEVOUR WIDOW’S HOUSES… you shall receive the greater damnation.
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES…
WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES…
You FOOLS AND BLIND…
You FOOLS AND BLIND…
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You… have omitted… JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH…
You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.
You BLIND PHARISEES…
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN’S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS… and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY…
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!… you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your

fathers.​

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES… you KILL AND CRUCIFY… you SCOURGE in your synagogues… Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!! ​

WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God’s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000
years? YES. It has gotten WORSE. ​

Now did I not do the same to sojourner WHO CLAIMED AND PROFESSED that with all his credentials and whatever stuff he got from his circle of people that he was one of the leaders? What was sojourners exact words---“you don’t have the authority to say this or that. WE (him talking about him and the "Religious Scholars and Theologians") are the church and blah blah this and blah blah that”. [I know not exactly his words there but go back and see his arrogance]

So you see him “asserting “his power and authority” just like the Pharisees and scribes and you see Jesus calling the Scribes and Pharisees [Religious scholars and theologians of that day] "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. He spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry; very few of them received a kind word from Him.

Jesus was never on the defensive, but always on the offensive. Using the vernacular, He was "IN THEIR FACE!" Jesus referred to the recalcitrant Jewish leaders as, "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the Scribes and Pharisees regarding the royal and mighty King Herod: "Go ye, and tell that FOX [that JACKAL]…"

So now do you see some more character of our Lord? Especially of those who are WILLFULLY ignorant to the truth? I never called sojourner any of these names as Jesus called those of His time. In closing who is our perfect example and who steps are we to follow in? You know the answer and everyday I try to be just like my Lord.

He rebuked them for been Hippocrates, but he did not hate them.

Definition of rebuke--to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.

You speak as if Jesus only started speaking once He appeared on earth. No. How many times are we told throughout scripture Jesus hates liars, murderers, FALSE WITNESSES, etc etc. Does Jesus change? Jesus’ first words recorded is “let there be light” now follow that through to the end of Revelations and see who and what He hates.

So when I sometimes write with an edge on my voice I am accused of not following the example of Jesus. Too many Christians have read the teachings of Jesus with rose-colored glasses covering both their eyes and their minds.

The sinner has nothing to hide, he knows that he is a sinner and he is not afraid to say that, so he is open to receive help.

Even what you just said goes against many scriptures like “and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil”.

Capital letters are only for emphasis, nothing else

 

[AK4]

God is not partial to any man. But men with his inequity blinds and deafens himself.

Your right He is not partial cuz in the end God will be all in all. But until then He does show more favor to those right now that He has grander purpose for them.

The second part of your sentence speaks of freewill again and goes against all scriptures. Just wondering have you sat down and actually thought deeply on this concept? It would do wonders on your spiritual growth. Im praying for you.

 

[AK4]

People after accepting the strong man teachings became his willing captives, you are fortunate to have escaped.
Glory to God

Oh no he didnt come with strong man teachings, he came with "sweet words and stuff like that". I cant remember which scripture he fulfilled with his words. Its the very same thing most of these christian churches do with their teachings--they come as sheep in wolves clothing. Mixing lies with truth--the most powerful tool of satan.

But thats all part of Gods plan of conversion. He calls you into church. You are to Learn and believe and live the stuff that they teach you and become totally corrupted by their doctrines and rituals and teachings. Then He if you are to be part of the elect, God calls you out of that church and starts showing the real truth. You cant know what is the real truth unless you really know what is trully false.

 

[free spirit]

Oh no he didnt come with strong man teachings, he came with "sweet words and stuff like that". I cant remember which scripture he fulfilled with his words. Its the very same thing most of these christian churches do with their teachings--they come as sheep in wolves clothing. Mixing lies with truth--the most powerful tool of satan.

Yes what you describe is the tools of a strong man, a charismatic man; They speak confidently flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage. Jude 16

But thats all part of Gods plan of conversion. He calls you into church. You are to Learn and believe and live the stuff that they teach you and become totally corrupted by their doctrines and rituals and teachings. Then He if you are to be part of the elect, God calls you out of that church and starts showing the real truth. You cant know what is the real truth unless you really know what is trully false.

This is not correct: This is your fleshly soul trying to justify itself for been gullible in the first place, If you believed what was false, you are at risk of preaching what is false, you can go from the fraying-pan into the fire as it were, believe me brother we ourselves cannot see that happening, believe me for I have no interest in hurting you nor in selling you my doctrine, but I share only the love of Jesus Christ my Lord with you.

 

[free spirit]

Your right He is not partial cuz in the end God will be all in all. But until then He does show more favor to those right now that He has grander purpose for them.

Matthew 22:16, in part we read, "Teacher, we know that you are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and defer to no one; for you are not partial to any."
also we read in Galatians 2:6, "But from those who were of high reputation what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality: well, those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me."
Christians also suffered persecutions I would not call it favoritism.

The second part of your sentence speaks of freewill again and goes against all scriptures. Just wondering have you sat down and actually thought deeply on this concept? It would do wonders on your spiritual growth. Im praying for you.

Yes I have and I shared it with you in past posts.
But please tell me how did you suppressed your free will, because if I suppress my free will, then I will have no one to follow or listen to, for me and my free will is one and the same.

 

[free spirit]

Even our friend "Sojourner" you must admit you need help to love him.

Wow. thats a pretty strong assertion. I dont hate him at all, i dont even know him like that. I hate the doctrines he may teach thats it. I know he may be decieved on some things, but i dont ultimately hold that against him. Or anyone else for that matter.

I do not understand you, why did you say that unwise things above,

Am i the only one actually reads all the words? Am i the only in this forum able to not have what the church and the world teach be "the final say so" on things. The church teaches of a soft spoken light hearted almost a push over Jesus. Take out the push over and the question becomes Is this the only character trait of our Lord? Here meet the real Jesus---

There are many examples of Jesus upbraiding the Church leaders for their gross sins [selections from Matthew 23]:

"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN…
…THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… you DEVOUR WIDOW’S HOUSES… you shall receive the greater damnation.
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES…
WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES…
You FOOLS AND BLIND…
You FOOLS AND BLIND…
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You… have omitted… JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH…
You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES… within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.
You BLIND PHARISEES…
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN’S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS… and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY…
WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!… you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your

fathers.​

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES… you KILL AND CRUCIFY… you SCOURGE in your synagogues… Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!! ​

WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God’s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000
years? YES. It has gotten WORSE. ​

Now did I not do the same to sojourner WHO CLAIMED AND PROFESSED that with all his credentials and whatever stuff he got from his circle of people that he was one of the leaders? What was sojourners exact words---“you don’t have the authority to say this or that. WE (him talking about him and the "Religious Scholars and Theologians") are the church and blah blah this and blah blah that”. [I know not exactly his words there but go back and see his arrogance]

So you see him “asserting “his power and authority” just like the Pharisees and scribes and you see Jesus calling the Scribes and Pharisees [Religious scholars and theologians of that day] "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. He spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry; very few of them received a kind word from Him.

Jesus was never on the defensive, but always on the offensive. Using the vernacular, He was "IN THEIR FACE!" Jesus referred to the recalcitrant Jewish leaders as, "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the Scribes and Pharisees regarding the royal and mighty King Herod: "Go ye, and tell that FOX [that JACKAL]…"

So now do you see some more character of our Lord? Especially of those who are WILLFULLY ignorant to the truth? I never called sojourner any of these names as Jesus called those of His time. In closing who is our perfect example and who steps are we to follow in? You know the answer and everyday I try to be just like my Lord.

He rebuked them for been Hippocrates, but he did not hate them.

Definition of rebuke--to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand.

You speak as if Jesus only started speaking once He appeared on earth. No. How many times are we told throughout scripture Jesus hates liars, murderers, FALSE WITNESSES, etc etc. Does Jesus change? Jesus’ first words recorded is “let there be light” now follow that through to the end of Revelations and see who and what He hates.

So when I sometimes write with an edge on my voice I am accused of not following the example of Jesus. Too many Christians have read the teachings of Jesus with rose-colored glasses covering both their eyes and their minds.

The sinner has nothing to hide, he knows that he is a sinner and he is not afraid to say that, so he is open to receive help.

Even what you just said goes against many scriptures like “and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil”.

Capital letters are only for emphasis, nothing else

What is your true argument: In one post you say that God does it all, In this post you say they did it willfully, and Jesus is right in rebuking them. But if God was the cause for them to be hypocrites, then Jesus is wrong for they were doing the will of God, the bible say that we should not sin, but you say that it is okey to sin for we must experience evil to appreciate Goodness.

My understanding is very simple, in my first half of my life I lived out of my fleshy soul doing what I though was best for me and keep out of troubles, I was selfish, I was looking after my interests in all areas of my life, with a sprinkle of acts of kindness to make me fill good about myself.
But when Christ come into my life My attitude changed, God was real !!!!!! Waaaooo So I tried to be less selfish in all areas of my life (it is called repentance)
and in some aspects of my life I am still working at it.
If that is not enthroning Christ in my heart, I do not know what it is.
So what more can I do?

 

[AK4]

This is not correct:

It is correct. We have a lot of examples of this being done in the scriptures to prove this. It happened like this to all the Apostles including Paul. They were all called into His first church (the jewish religion). They knew of all that religion and its regulations and laws. They lived it and practiced it and kept it.

They were totally corrupted by that religion, Then Christ chose them to follow and learn some of the truth, yet they were not even converted through His ministry. So even before Christ crucifixion they were still carnal. They all fell away (just like all those who will part of the elect, this is a requirement of conversion) during this period and forsook Jesus. But since they were not just called, but chosen and part of the elect, at Pentecost they were then converted and then shown the real truth. Believe it or not that is the conversion process. That is the way it is for all the elect. This is the same thing that happened to Paul too and from my personal experience I can say this is whats has happened to me, but I hope and pray I don’t have any more falls.

Prov 24:16 “A just man falls seven times (that’s a complete fall, and remember what I posted about building your house on the sand instead of THE Rock) and rises again [only by God though]

“if possible to even to deceive the elect”

I am confident in my Lord to keep me from being deceived again. He has shown me some scriptures that set the standard for a principle or precept and as long as I keep and never forget these “foundational truths” or paramount scriptures I shouldn’t fall again, but that is all on God.

This is your fleshly soul trying to justify itself for been gullible in the first place, If you believed what was false, you are at risk of preaching what is false, you can go from the fraying-pan into the fire as it were, believe me brother we ourselves cannot see that happening, believe me for I have no interest in hurting you nor in selling you my doctrine, but I share only the love of Jesus Christ my Lord with you.

No I don’t need to justify myself. God and His Word justifies me. Its that I actually believe what the scriptures say and don’t try to add or subtract from it. The scriptures say all is of God. I actually believe it. I don’t try to add in that I made all my choices and God had no influence in them whatsoever. It says its God who directs my steps. I actually believe it. I don’t subtract out God from that scripture and say it is “I” who direct my steps. It says it is God who works in me to will and to do. I actually believe it. I don’t try to add in something that was never given to me in the first place like freewill and say because of my freewill I choose to will and to do of my pleasure.

See the difference is I actually believe what the scriptures say not what man has tried to glean out of it. If it says it and its properly translated I believe. If the Word says God will have all men to be saved, I believe it. I don’t say well the “will” in that verse is the weak version of the word and that only means God desires or wishes (like God cant get all He desires or wishes—who do He think He is? God or something?) and I don’t say that the all in that verse means “as many as”. I believe the scriptures.

See when people do that, not me, but God says “THEY DESPISE MY WORD”. You should see the chastisement/judgment that is coming their way for this too.