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Do you want the House to be in republican or democratic control?

Do you want the House to be in republican or democratic control?

  • Democrat

    Votes: 14 73.7%
  • Republican

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Total voters
    19

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
It was easy to make MAGA go away with zero additional damage to the country. Voting in this election.

Far too many people didn't care. They didn't care if Trump was president again.
Do you understand that these people like Trump and cared very much about him winning. I have family that are ecstatic, people I work with are Joyful. He more than won the popular vote by a lot. These people want him in office now.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Do you understand that these people like Trump and cared very much about him winning. I have family that are ecstatic, people I work with are Joyful. He more than won the popular vote by a lot. These people want him in office now.
Of course I understand that.
Their undying love of the leader has nothing to do with policy, but more to do with music, simple phrases and false promises.
It's pure propaganda. Propaganda targets emotions and millions of people have been tricked. Trump has been a POS long before his presidency.
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I want as much of US government as possible to be in dem control since I believe in trying to mitigate the effects of the darker side of human nature even if certain of the citizens of the US deserve what they voted for in my view.

Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The last possible "check and balance" available, since SCOTUS made the President essentially annointed of God to do whatever the heck he wants.
They limited that to "official acts", which
isn't unreasonable. But the Devil is in the
subsequent rulings about what qualifies
as such. Remember...Trump's lawyers argued
to SCOTUS that he had the legal right to have
political foes killed.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
They limited that to "official acts", which
isn't unreasonable. But the Devil is in the
subsequent rulings about what qualifies
as such. Remember...Trump's lawyers argued
to SCOTUS that he had the legal right to have
political foes killed.
But that's just the point!! The damned insanity of the notion that a President could have such a legal right -- well what can anybody say to that? A child would know better, though Clarence Thomas may not be able to figure it out.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
The republicans have the presidency and the senate. The House is yet to be decided and may take 2-3 weeks for the ballots to be counted. This is a critical outcome because if the democrats get the majority they could prevent Trump from doing many things, mostly with the budget. They could provide some guardrails to his actions until the midterm elections. If the republicans get the majority then there would be little in the way of MAGA putting project 2025 and Agenda 47 into action. Trump will largely have his way with everything, and immunity in his back pocket. They would have two years, and it's likely a complete abortion ban would be implemented. MAGA would have plenty of time to cut taxes on the wealthy, and grift the federal budget to benefit them while blowing up the budget.

What is your preference, and most importantly your reasons, and possible scenarios and consequences for your choice. Try to present an argument, not just your vote.
I'd prefer that the votes are counted correctly, and the House will work as intended in a representative democracy.
But I think it will be a Republican House, and I think the US deserves it.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I sympathize with this notion, but people will refuse to see what they don't want to see. The cognitive dissonance would be fatal.
When Democrats can slow the downfall of the US, people will gradually grow into the new reality. It's the boiled frog scenario (even though that is biological nonsense, the idea counts).
A fast deterioration will wake up more people than a slow withering. And even though many people will suffer severely in the next time, more would suffer in the long run if the MAGAts had guardrails and not crazy from day one.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I'd prefer that the votes are counted correctly, and the House will work as intended in a representative democracy.
But I think it will be a Republican House, and I think the US deserves it.
We Europeans deserve it.
After wasting billions of euros on an idiotic war in Ukraine funded and fomented by an elitist cabal of warmongers...we deserve a rest.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
We Europeans deserve it.
After wasting billions of euros on an idiotic war in Ukraine funded and fomented by an elitist cabal of warmongers...we deserve a rest.
You're aware that we will have to compensate for all the aid the US is retracting and then some? And we will, and that is how it should be. Russia is still in Europe, and we would have to deal with them if that camel gets the nose into the tent.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You're aware that we will have to compensate for all the aid the US is retracting and then some?
It will be worth it.
This shows Wagenknecht was right...she will become the future Bundeskanzlerin, probably.
And we will, and that is how it should be.

You know...I know who to blame.
The elitist banksters infesting the EU institutions.

We elected a woman born in a working class neighborhood as PM, to show them we hate them.

Russia is still in Europe, and we would have to deal with them if that camel gets the nose into the tent.
Indeed.
Thanks to people like Orban who went to talk to Putin and then with Zelenskyy to show a super partes attitude.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You're aware that we will have to compensate for all the aid the US is retracting and then some?
Are you speaking of military aid?
Or aid for the reconstruction?

If you are speaking of military aid, just know that the EU commission is worth less than zero and Von DeN Leiden cannot impose anything on us.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Of course I understand that.
Their undying love of the leader has nothing to do with policy, but more to do with music, simple phrases and false promises.
It's pure propaganda. Propaganda targets emotions and millions of people have been tricked. Trump has been a POS long before his presidency.
Not True

On Abortion I am personally Prolife but vote pro-choice as I do not believe I should influence others but in Truth I only believe abortion should be used for incest, rape and medical emergencies. There are responsibilities with having sex and you need to accept the consequences. I would bet a large percentage of Democrats feel the same

On Wars all of them, Personally I don't believe we should get involved no matter what happens to the people of the nation, I am also against Israel being put in the middle east and not winning it themselves. I do see the advantages of isolationism. I also see the disadvantages I vote for Globalization because I believe in the long run it will be better.

On immigration, personally I am for it with qualifiers. There needs to be a clear path to citizenship. There needs to be restrictions on who can come and these all need to be laid out for all to see. Both parties keep immigration murky just so they can use it as an election strategy. The Democrats only support them because the majority of them will eventually become Democrats, and the Republicans don't support them because the same. Overall, the population is against the current immigration policies and the Republicans are the only ones offering a clear decision, No to all. Is this the right path, I don't believe so but its not like anyone dies or that it can't be changed in the future.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But that's just the point!! The damned insanity of the notion that a President could have such a legal right -- well what can anybody say to that? A child would know better, though Clarence Thomas may not be able to figure it out.
The SCOTUS ruling seems reasonable.
The perennial problem is that reasonable language can
be twisted. We see this happen even with constitutional
amendments, eg, the 14th & military conscription, the
4th & taking property for private use.
The problem isn't how SCOTUS ruled, it's that Trump can
install the judges who'd rule on his actions. And that he
can use the power of the President to threaten those who
oppose him.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The republicans have the presidency and the senate. The House is yet to be decided and may take 2-3 weeks for the ballots to be counted. This is a critical outcome because if the democrats get the majority they could prevent Trump from doing many things, mostly with the budget. They could provide some guardrails to his actions until the midterm elections. If the republicans get the majority then there would be little in the way of MAGA putting project 2025 and Agenda 47 into action. Trump will largely have his way with everything, and immunity in his back pocket. They would have two years, and it's likely a complete abortion ban would be implemented. MAGA would have plenty of time to cut taxes on the wealthy, and grift the federal budget to benefit them while blowing up the budget.

What is your preference, and most importantly your reasons, and possible scenarios and consequences for your choice. Try to present an argument, not just your vote.
I would like to see the Republican control.

Personally, it would be nice to see what they will do when controlling both Senate and House. Then people can have hard data for the next election

That being said, the margins are so thin that it may just be deadlocked. Time will tell.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I would like to see the Republican control.

Personally, it would be nice to see what they will do when controlling both Senate and House.

That being said, the margins are so thin that it may just be deadlocked. Time will tell.
For those of us who loathe both the far left
& your far right, deadlocks are the damper
on brands of crazy that would send us either
to socialism or a Judeo-Christian caliphate.

I keep reading "dreadlocks" in that post.
It's not those.
 
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The republicans have the presidency and the senate. The House is yet to be decided and may take 2-3 weeks for the ballots to be counted. This is a critical outcome because if the democrats get the majority they could prevent Trump from doing many things, mostly with the budget. They could provide some guardrails to his actions until the midterm elections. If the republicans get the majority then there would be little in the way of MAGA putting project 2025 and Agenda 47 into action. Trump will largely have his way with everything, and immunity in his back pocket. They would have two years, and it's likely a complete abortion ban would be implemented. MAGA would have plenty of time to cut taxes on the wealthy, and grift the federal budget to benefit them while blowing up the budget.

What is your preference, and most importantly your reasons, and possible scenarios and consequences for your choice. Try to present an argument, not just your vote.
It is best for the Republicans to maintain the House, since that is the only reason the Biden-Harris economy did not run the country into the ground. The RNC control maintained fiscal responsibility and made the criminal DNC more transparent. I am also tired of the DNC law fare games they would play if they could control the House; lawyers games instead of statesmanship. If Trump and the Republicans control it, along with the Senate and Supreme Court, the country will turn around and become great again. The DNC will have a better future buffer if and when they try to squander again.

I have been watching more Liberal media to watch the melt down. It is quite entertaining. So many the DNC news propagandist blame everyone, but their own lying self, who carried the poison water. One interesting comment I heard was from a Democrat, who never favored trans biological men in women's sports, since he has two daughter who play sports. However, he said felt pressured to keep his opinion quiet, since the authoritarian DNC leadership, does not allow free speech, even to its leadership base. All talk needs to walk sanctioned and done in lock step, whether you believe it or not.

The DNC used to be the party of freedom speech and many now see that as needing to come back. Others blame a small radical Left minority, for forcing an agenda, that harm their bread and butter base; blue collar and minorities, who now have fled to the Trump camp. Electric cars sounded good, but the working poor cannot afford them. They were stuck with used gas cars that were soon to be taken away, after the price of gasoline artificially rose, to make their travel less affordable. The leadership was tone deaf.

It reminds me of Marie Antoinette, who was royalty just before the French Revolution. She was told that the peasants were complaining they had no bread to eat. Her solution was, "tell them, to eat cake". Total detachment due to snob reality. The Revolution was successful.

The Democrats are in a bind and many are now soul searching, out loud; free speech, and humble pie appears to be the medicine they need to break away from the old leadership Fascism and censorship. However, just as many want to go backwards to the land of Snobs, Fascists and Liars. It does not work anymore, for the majority of voters, while this initial breaking of its hold is allowing a new generation of leadership to start to speak up and be heard.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
  1. I am.
  2. Those who are not have every right to have, and to voice, a position on something that may very well impact them.

Yes! Who is elected here (USA) may very well impact foreigners and their country - but for opposite reasons.
By not being able to point out - how it may impact them - it is very well impacting the debate/discussion I am having here.

I cannot show their true reasons for rooting for someone and her policies or their true reason for being against someone and his policies - and I cannot show it has nothing to do with America. I am not able to show how they are influenced.

It would be a fairer debate if I could bring those facts into the discussion. ;)
Most are not volunteering whether or not they are from a foreign land either! It is disingenuous to go into a debate like that!

When I am responding to some of them here - I am sensing 'voice behind voice'!

You cannot make any headway with them when their true reasons to support someone - is hidden and it could easily be due to - how it would impact their own country's economical (Tariffs, economical packages) their own country's potential upcoming immigration problems, their own environmental issues etc.

Why wouldn't they support what would impact their own country? I understand that but I need to know before I hear their opinions.

Well! If they are against Trump then maybe it is because they don't want the Tariffs.

If they hate Trump then maybe because they believe Trump's stance on undocumented migrant will send an influx of migrant (non-English speaking) their way over the northern borders into their country and that would be catastrophic for their economy and may collapse their 'healthcare' system as they know it.

Do Canadians want Trump to dig in Alaska? Do they want new pipelines? Do they want USA to be self sufficient (energy wise) and not buy any electricity from them?

Aren't these valid questions?

Answer to such questions: No! They like what Dems represent. No digging! Just buy baby buy!

So, you tell me - how can you have a fair conversation with such folks?

So, of course if they are from Canada or Mexico - they would be against Trump! But should I care about their opinion? :rolleyes:

In the false pretense - whatever point they are making are basically moot points!

How do I address their 'make believe' rants if I don't even know where it is really coming from?

I admit some of these foreigners are very smart folks - that is why I am finding it hard to believe how they are blatantly lying! How they conveniently ignore to see the light of 'day' - instead they are trying to convert other Americans into believing 'night' as 'day'.

If I knew their opinions are influenced then it would make sense! So it would be good to know who is from USA and not because then I would know which comments I should pay attention to in this regard. I do care about opinions those are not biased!
 
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