Do you want the House to be in republican or democratic control?

[BrightShadow]

This goes against the ideals of Republicans in favor of free markets. If the government is going to poke its nose into business and prices then it contradicts the core principles. Republicans need to decide what side of ‘Big Government “ they’re on.

As it is corporations can’t compete with imports that are cheaper. If tariffs remain permanently then the cost of products will be forever higher. And then American products are going to have to be better to be competitive and that will cost more money. Both in engineering and materials.

Conservatives have a very naive idea about manufacturing in the 21st century. Things are vastly more complicated and the expertise doesn’t exist. That means longer waits for buildings yo be designed, then built, then equipment bought or crested to manufacture the items. And then an educated and experienced workforce that doesn’t exist in the USA. We would likely have to hire foreigners to do much of the dedign and engineering work.

Trump will be dead before anything is made. And it assumes corporations are willing to spend the money.


Jobs were sent overseas by corporations, not the government. They did it for profit margins. You need to convince them.


China’s government invested in infrastructure and energy. The USA does only a fraction of what China does. Who’s going to pay for the infrastructure to ramp up manufacturing? The government under Trump looks to be facing bigger deficits. And austerity is Musk’s plan.

So you tell me. Where’s the money coming from?

Okay all you said is true except what you said about "contradicts the core principles". Principles can be adjusted.

What is your solution? All I see - it is not possible!

 

[Riders]

Of course I am Libertarian,I would prefer Libertarian or 3rd party. But Democrats might have a better chance to impeach but then again I trust republicans can impeach too.

 

[Alien826]

Honestly, I want the Republicans to have it all and to do all Donald Trump has said he wants to do. In my opinion it's the only way MAGA goes away. Will it cause the country and people problem, yes for sure but based on this election it's the only way people are going to learn. Sometimes you have to go backward to go forward.

What you are suggesting is analogous to Britain surrendering to Hitler after Dunkirk. Yes, it might have stopped much of the slaughter of WW2, as I suspect the USA might not have come in at all in that case, or just fought against Japan. But the result might also have been a Nazi Europe for an extended period, and maybe a defeat of Russia.

What you are not considering (imo) is the opportunity it will give the MAGAs to consolidate their position. Maybe in four years it may not matter how much the US people regret their decision, the enhanced MAGA power won't give them much chance to oppose it. And, how about all the people that will be harmed while the MAGA public "learn their lesson"? How many people unfairly deported? The victims of a destroyed economy? The lost rights of minorities and women? And that's not even considering the rest of the world.

 

[BrightShadow]

The intelligent way to use tariffs is to set them at a reasonable rate, so that they don't hike up prices at once, and don't incite (too much) retribution. Then you don't pocket the money but subsidize your own industry until it is fit for competition.
Will Trump do that?

He will do even better. He won't have tariff on many things. We have 4 years to see.
But this is his last chance! He doesn't want go down as a failure.

 

[Alien826]

The SCOTUS ruling seems reasonable.
The perennial problem is that reasonable language can
be twisted. We see this happen even with constitutional
amendments, eg, the 14th & military conscription, the
4th & taking property for private use.
The problem isn't how SCOTUS ruled, it's that Trump can
install the judges who'd rule on his actions. And that he
can use the power of the President to threaten those who
oppose him.

What makes something an official act? “In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President’s motives,” the justices ruled. And a jury cannot learn about the other parts of a criminal conspiracy that may involve official acts.

The Supreme Court Gives the President the Power of a King

The immunity decision has enormous implications for Trump’s trial — and the future of the presidency.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Heyo]

He will do even better. He won't have tariff on many things. We have 4 years to see.
But this is his last chance! He doesn't want go down as a failure.

He has failed so often that he doesn't care any more. He just doesn't want to go to prison.

 

[BrightShadow]

He has failed so often that he doesn't care any more. He just doesn't want to go to prison.

We will see.

 

[bobhikes]

What you are suggesting is analogous to Britain surrendering to Hitler after Dunkirk. Yes, it might have stopped much of the slaughter of WW2, as I suspect the USA might not have come in at all in that case, or just fought against Japan. But the result might also have been a Nazi Europe for an extended period, and maybe a defeat of Russia.

What you are not considering (imo) is the opportunity it will give the MAGAs to consolidate their position. Maybe in four years it may not matter how much the US people regret their decision, the enhanced MAGA power won't give them much chance to oppose it. And, how about all the people that will be harmed while the MAGA public "learn their lesson"? How many people unfairly deported? The victims of a destroyed economy? The lost rights of minorities and women? And that's not even considering the rest of the world.

I believe what happened with Brexit is more appropriate to what they'll accomplish.

 

[Alien826]

I believe what happened with Brexit is more appropriate to what they'll accomplish.

I don't see it. Can you explain?

 

[bobhikes]

I don't see it. Can you explain?

You need to look at the big picture. What's actually involved in what they want to do. What does the constitution say about it. Congress cannot override the constitution only the states can. How much money is it going to cost. Who other then the intended is going to be hurt. Government doesn't move at a fast speed. The more you try to accomplish the less you will especially in government.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't just want the Republicans to have as little power as possible. I want them to be finished for good.

I have notice who they have enabled since the 1980s.

 

[Heyo]

I believe what happened with Brexit is more appropriate to what they'll accomplish.

Since you mentioned Brexit, the day after the referendum the most asked question on Google UK was "What is Brexit", clearly indicating that people who voted in the referendum didn't know what they were doing.
Was there a spike in "Who is Donald Trump" questions on November 6th?

 

[bobhikes]

Since you mentioned Brexit, the day after the referendum the most asked question on Google UK was "What is Brexit", clearly indicating that people who voted in the referendum didn't know what they were doing.
Was there a spike in "Who is Donald Trump" questions on November 6th?

Brexit is a slang term that I followed thru news sources. I did not follow close enough to know the proper name. I am a US citizen and was baffled for years when people talked about the ACA. I only knew Obama Care. Same with AOC I only knew her as Cortez from NY.

So No there is no Spike in Donald Trump but his Name has been known for over 20 years now from TV and his political career.

 

[Heyo]

Brexit is a slang term that I followed thru news sources. I did not follow close enough to know the proper name. I am a US citizen and was baffled for years when people talked about the ACA. I only knew Obama Care. Same with AOC I only knew her as Cortez from NY.

So No there is no Spike in Donald Trump but his Name has been known for over 20 years now from TV and his political career.

How about "what is project 2025 / agenda 47"? That's a rhetorical question, what I want to say is that people knew what they would get when they voted for Trump / didn't care to vote for Harris. They don't have the excuse the Brexiteers have.

 

[bobhikes]

How about "what is project 2025 / agenda 47"? That's a rhetorical question, what I want to say is that people knew what they would get when they voted for Trump / didn't care to vote for Harris. They don't have the excuse the Brexiteers have.

I agree the people knew what they were getting and voted for it but like Brexit they don't know the results. It's the results that will change the party. What has happened to the party and the politicians that Drove the population to Brexit. Are they still in charge? Do they have the same power. They got some help as they blamed a lot of the fallout on COVID but they still lost support.

 

[Alien826]

You need to look at the big picture.

OK. Is it invisible? Sorry, wrong thread.

What's actually involved in what they want to do.

Lot's of things, mostly unpleasant for some section of the population or other.

What does the constitution say about it.

Whatever the Supreme Court says. Some variation on "Trump can do what he likes".

Congress cannot override the constitution only the states can.

No they can't, They have their own Constitutions that they can't override with their own laws.

How much money is it going to cost.

Lots one way and another.

Who other then the intended is going to be hurt.

Isn't that enough?

Government doesn't move at a fast speed. The more you try to accomplish the less you will especially in government.

True. Less so when all three sections are in the hands of one party.

And I still have no idea what Brexit has to do with it.