Does anyone....

[Buttons*]

It's definitely a means of entrance whereby demons can and will enter into your life..

Make no mistake about it, it's serious and sacred stuff, don't mess with it...

With your religion, marriage is more than a piece of paper. I see why you take it as seriously as you do. I have to question though, if sex is so sacred.... why do animals do it?

 

[Buttons*]

I had an Episcopalian girlfriend like you have professed your parents have brought you up to be and she would say the same things, "Do you really believe, fill in the blank here ??? "

I nearly messed up my life listening to these types of questions and doubts.

Commandments are clear, no sex except with your husband or wife...

Jesus said, "No unclean thing shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"

I'm not asking to have anyone change their mind, you realize. I just see so many debates about waiting until marriage.... and I think it's a pointless argument if no one is fully convinced that pre marital sex is a ticket to hell. I dont see why people even argue it.

 

[FFH]

Not me. I do believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin, but if the only people who got to heaven were those who made it through life without sinning, none of us would go to heaven.

Justifying

Nope

Justifying

There is no way around this serious sin, God will not make any special allowances for this type of sin in his kingdom.

Expect less than what you think you'll get if you disobey this very very important commandment.

Sexual sins are next to murder in seriousness..

 

[Buttons*]

Justifying

Justifying

There is no way around this serious sin, God will not make any special allowances for this type of sin in his kingdom.

Expect less than what you think you'll get if you disobey this very very important commandment.

Sexual sins are next to murder in seriousness..

I don't see how it's any more "right" or "clean" if you're married when you do it....:sarcastic

 

[FFH]

I'm not asking to have anyone change their mind, you realize. I just see so many debates about waiting until marriage.... and I think it's a pointless argument if no one is fully convinced that pre marital sex is a ticket to hell. I dont see why people even argue it.

I understand, but make no mistake about it, it is a means whereby one will destroy their own lives unless they get out of that situation and if they take that kind of lifestyle to the grave, without turning from this sin, they will surely be surprised at the results on the other side...

God is a merciful God, if we repent, but not if we persist in our sinful nature...

We must do all in our power to get out of these types of situations, which destroy our lives and rob us of our happiness, in this life and in the next...

Hell is real and many will spend time there paying for their own sins...

Christ died only for the sins we repent of (turn from)...

 

[Buttons*]

I understand, but make no mistake about it, it is a means whereby one will destroy their own lives unless they get out of that situation and if they take that kind of lifestyle to the grave, without turning from this sin, they will surely be surprised at the results on the other side...

God is a merciful God, if we repent, but not if we persist in our sinful nature...

We must do all in our power to get out of these types of situations, which destroy our lives and rob us of our happiness, in this life and in the next...

Hell is real and many will spend time there paying for their own sins...

Christ died only for the sins we turn from...

Well, I'll be in hell then no reason to stop being with someone I love.

I think we have a winner guys! I didn't think anyone on this forum actually felt that compelled about it. It's cool that you do. Everyone can see the "other side" so to speak.

 

[MaddLlama]

I understand, but make no mistake about it, it is a means whereby one will destroy their own lives unless they get out of that situation and if they take that kind of lifestyle to the grave, without turning from this sin, they will surely be surprised at the results on the other side...

God is a merciful God, if we repent, but not if we persist in our sinful nature...

We must do all in our power to get out of these types of situations, which destroy our lives and rob us of our happiness, in this life and in the next...

Hell is real and many will spend time there paying for their own sins...

Christ died only for the sins we repent of (turn from)...

Does God forgive you if you marry the person you had sex with?

 

[FFH]

I don't see how it's any more "right" or "clean" if you're married when you do it....:sarcastic

I know what you're saying and no marriage is valid throughout the eternities, unless performed in an LDS temple, according to LDS theology, but we are required to marry by law and the Lord also want's us to obey his laws which govern sex, by marrying one spouse for life and for the eternities to come...

Marry one husband or wife for this life and for all eternity...that's the Lord's way...

Jesus also hates divorce...

 

[Buttons*]

I know what you're saying and no marriage is valid throughout the eternities, unless performed in an LDS temple, according to LDS theology, but we are required to marry by law and the Lord also want's us to obey his laws which govern sex, by marrying one spouse for life and for the eternities to come...

Marry one husband or wife for this life and for all eternity...that's the Lord's way...

(Even though you get more than one wife afterwards?)

Jesus also hates divorce...

He has told you so?

 

[FFH]

Does God forgive you if you marry the person you had sex with?

Of course, such a person is committing to one spouse, which the Lord wants to happen. No kid wants several sets of parents or partners...

I work with young teenagers and I see the aweful affects these kids go through when mom or dad is not around to comfort them.

I can literally see the pain in their eyes and in their countenances...

I work with all kinds of hurting teenagers, it's so sad...

Meet and marry one person for life, it's the only way to build a stable happy fulfilled life.

My wife and I have had it out for each other over the years but we stay together no matter what, It's not gonna be any better with someone else and we both know that..

We all think it will be but it never is.

Statistics show that with each new partner the divorce/split up rate increases. The the time between divorce/seperation also shortens with each new marriage/partner...

 

[Bishka]

Justifying

Justifying

Could you explain how someone who has not taken the covenants we have taken, and not been a member of our Church nor taught it's precepts will go to hell because they had sexual relations out of marriage? I'm curious how people who were never taught will go straight to hell without a chance.......

 

[FFH]

(Even though you get more than one wife afterwards?)

I could hear you in my mind bringing that up. For now the Lord only wants us to have one wife, which is clearly also stated in the Book of Mormon, unless he commands otherwise, which he currently is not commanding us to do, but is commanding us to only have one wife, which I will have throughout the eternities and if more are added then so be it. It seems akward now, but we are mere mortal men and the things of God seem strange to man...

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

He has told you so?

No, it's in the New Testament, will look for it.

3 Nephi 12 (Book of Mormon)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery; and whoso shall marry her who is divorced committeth adultery.

This means, unless your spouse has cheated on you and slept with another, there is no legitimate reason to divorce, in the case of abuse, seperation would be appropriate, in my opinion, and possibly the offender could get professional help, however if a person divorces just to marry and sleep with another, this is adultery, likewise if a person marries another who has divorced, this is also adultery on his/her part..

One wife and one husband throughout life and throughout the eternities, unless commanded otherwise...

 

[FFH]

Could you explain how someone who has not taken the covenants we have taken, and not been a member of our Church nor taught it's precepts will go to hell because they had sexual relations out of marriage? I'm curious how people who were never taught will go straight to hell without a chance.......

They know well enough the commandments, at least those who I am conversing with here...

I cannot judge where a perons will go in the next life, but it won't be with God, according to scripture, if a person persists in this type of sin.

You know as well as I do that there are, however, varying degrees of salvation for all eventually, exept those "sons of perdition," in whom no light is found, those who are cast into outer darkness (Hitler types).

Many will spend time in hell if they don't turn from serious sins, but will eventually be redeemed from that aweful place after they pay for their own unrepented sins.

LDS included in this..

 

[FFH]

No one wants to acknowledge the realities of hell, but I've felt the pains of hell in my spirit to a degree that I can say I know what it feels like to be there to some degree.

Even Joseph Smith was given a taste of the pains of hell, for his sins he had committed against God. No one is immune to this...

God is straight forward about hell and the conditions whereby we can be spared it's aweful pains..

The conditions are set and and have been from the beginning of time and will be throughout all eternity, there is no way to change these conditions..

Christ said if we don't repent we will suffer even as he has suffered...

We are all sinners but certain sins are much worse than others, sexual sins are among the worst, next to murder in seriousness..

I have to constantly remind myself of this, because I am faced with many temptations... I'm not an ugly guy, for example...

 

[Buttons*]

No one wants to acknowledge the realities of hell, but I've felt the pains of hell in my spirit to a degree that I can say I know what it may feel like to be there to some degree.

Even Joseph Smith was given a taste of the pains of hell, for his sins he had committed against God. No one is immune to this...

God is straight forward about it..

The conditions are set and and have been from the beginning of time and will be throughout all eternity, there is no way to change these conditions..

Sounds like God's got some forgiveness issues.

SO yeah, now we've heard from both sides. (Thanks all) And we can continue to our scheduled programming

 

[FFH]

Sounds like God's got some forgiveness issues.

SO yeah, now we've heard from both sides. (Thanks all) And we can continue to our scheduled programming

Okay, I get the hint, but before I head out I need to say....NO...God has some love issues.

He loves us enough to warn/chasten us so that we don't have to actually spend time in hell.

He loved me enough to warn me several times of the evil paths I was heading down and I praise and thank him for that...

I am free of the grips of Satan, thanks to the warnings/chastisings/punishments which I was allowed to feel in my spirit, which were the realities of hell..

Ironically it has a cleansing power, the flames that do not consume seemed to cleanse me of certain sinful dispositions...

I still need a lot of purifying though, that will come with time and experience.

 

[Scuba Pete]

C'mon guys... get a room!

 

[Buttons*]

C'mon guys... get a room!

Heehee, sorry, I'm too busy with mah sheep

:angel2: :flirt:

 

[Hope]

Sex before marriage is a sin, but this particular sin in and of itself does not necessarily send one to hell. If it did, then a lot of Christians would be just as hell-bent as non-Christians, because there are many who become Christians after the fact, or committ sexual sin even while they are Christians.

What sends one to hell is another topic entirely, and one that has been discussed thoroughly on this forum.

 

[jonny]

There is no way around this serious sin, God will not make any special allowances for this type of sin in his kingdom.

Expect less than what you think you'll get if you disobey this very very important commandment.

Sexual sins are next to murder in seriousness..

The fact that the sin is serious, does not mean that forgiveness cannot be obtained. Christ suffered for even the most serious of sins.