I think it probably does that, because without God, people are easily led by fear and socialistic government is basically sold by the idea that it brings security. Person who believes in Dog, gets security from God and therefore more likely supports free society and is not as easily ruled by fear.
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Does atheism lead to socialism?
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I think it probably does that, because without God, people are easily led by fear and socialistic government is basically sold by the idea that it brings security. Person who believes in Dog, gets security from God and therefore more likely supports free society and is not as easily ruled by fear.
Republicans? Libertarians?
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
TagliatelliMonster
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I don't see how this is a proper response to what I said, nor do I see how it fits with your initial statement that I was responding to.
TagliatelliMonster
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Nail, meet hammer!
TagliatelliMonster
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Wouldn't that be communism?
TagliatelliMonster
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Myeah... tell it to the people living in theocracies.
Reality doesn't agree with your statements here.
The most free societies on the planet, are also the ones with the lowest religiosity. And that, by choice of the people, not "state enforced atheism" like we have seen in Soviet Russia - where they essentially replaced theistic religions with a state religion.
But the most secure people tend to be the most atheistic, and socialist policies produce the most security. It's insecure people who turn to god, when they can't depend on society.
AlexanderG
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In the US, who is being led by fear right now? Which group is desperate for a strongman to fix all their fears and grievances, and impose "security" to protect them from the people, institutions, ideas, and social changes that frighten them?
It isn't the atheists, that's for sure.
Father Heathen
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It's more likely that god is used as a sock puppet and believers are easily deceived and manipulated by self-appointed middlemen who presume to speak on god's behalf. Thus we end up with automatons whose skulls are impervious to science, logic, evidence, etc.
Also, faith is very fear driven (hell, the devil, etc.) and many believers appear to prefer a tyrannical theocracy over a free society.
Critical thinking is our friend.
Communism is even worse than socialism
because private property is eliminated.
I think that is sad, because I think Bible is against fear.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
He said to his disciples, "Therefore I tell you, don't be anxious for your life, what you will eat, nor yet for your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing. Consider the ravens: they don't sow, they don't reap, they have no warehouse or barn, and God feeds them. How much more valuable are you than birds! Which of you by being anxious can add a cubit to his height? If then you aren't able to do even the least things, why are you anxious about the rest? …
Luke 12:22-31
It seems to me that the democrats, who I think are really communists, are leading with fear. They are making more totalitarian and tyrannical rules for example because of the fear of virus, to have more secure society, where people are not free.
Socialist policies are because people are fearful and want society to bring security for them. If people would not be such cowards, they would live in society where people are free. Nowadays people are so fearful that they don’t even dare to breath without mask. And tyrannical governments even intensify so that they can sell more fascism.
I think in the time, when more people were Christian, world was freer, because people didn’t fear so much everything.
China is atheistic, by what I know, and it is the most tyrannical country in the world, with its surveillance state. Western secular countries are close to that, but not yet as bad.
Probably those who invented them, can explain them better.
I think Christian socialism is oxymoron. Socialism is evil legalized theft, while Christianity is opposite of that. In socialism person demands others to give, while in Christianity people freely want to do good to others. Christianity is based on love, while socialism is based on fear. So, if someone is selling for example Christian socialism, I think the word Christian is there to make it look less harmful for those who may be Christian in some way.
Liberation theology is in my opinion closer to what Jesus told, because Jesus came to bring liberty for oppressed.
If I understood correctly, Hutterites is a communal way of living. It can be ok if it is based on freedom.
And yet, so many believers, especially children, are
traumatized by hellfire & damnation threats of eternal
torture.
Of the atheists I know, fear isn't a motivator. And many
many of us dislike big government / socialism.
China has many many believers.
Family there are Christian & Muslim.
AlexanderG
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I've been hearing a lot of this "Democrats are communists" meme recently. Is it making the rounds in the right wing media? I'm curious what you think communism is. Are public libraries communist? What about Social Security? Is all of Europe communist because they have strong labor unions and socialized medicine? How would you describe the differences between communism and social democracy?
I'm not afraid of the virus. I got the vaccine, and hopefully my kids will soon too. Just like I'm not afraid of an infection because I can take an antibiotic, and I'm not afraid of starving because I can buy food at a grocery store. Reasonable actions are taken to solve common problems, and then the problem is gone. Are you not reasonable?
If you think requiring people to wear masks on their faces when close to other people during a viral pandemic is "totalitarian and tyrannical rules," then I don't know what do say to you. Maybe stop listening to crackpots on AM talk radio who get increased revenue in direct proportion to how much they outrage and terrify their listeners? Maybe take a step back and run some hypotheticals, where conservatives did the exact same thing Democrats are doing and imagine how you would react in that case? Maybe try charitable listening. I don't know. You seem pretty far down the rabbit hole.
AlexanderG
Active Member
You realize that the bible describes how Jesus and the disciples lived together, and it's identical to a commune? Jesus said to give everything you own to the poor if you would truly follow him. Socialism is literally about allocating community resources to help the poorest, neediest people, which is directly in line with what Jesus preached and how he lived. I don't understand how making a community effort to care for the needy and provide for the common good is based on fear, either? Apparently you'd rather someone in your neighborhood die on the street than spare a few dollars of taxes.
Whatever. You seem really off the rails, and you kind of sound like a sociopath. I'm not that interested in talking to you any more.