Does belief in God prevent people from killing?

[Magic Man]

you have not destroyed the reason for the order sir. If you can't see that outright, then I can't make you see it either.

So, if I go kill a baby, and say that God told me to, so that the kid wouldn't have to grow up in this horrible, sick world, would you believe me? It doesn't matter what the reason is, God can do it without killing, right? If not, then the point is moot.

point taken ... what are her chances? are you willing to take the chance with your daughter?
God was not willing to take the chance with the israelites whom he considered as his children.

To maintain your stance, your answer should be yes you will take the chance with your own daughter. but what does your conscience tell you? do not answer me anymore.
i am nobody and you are not accountable to me. you are accoutable to your own conscience and your creator.

have a nice day!

So, am I god, then?

 

[uss_bigd]

So, if I go kill a baby, and say that God told me to, so that the kid wouldn't have to grow up in this horrible, sick world, would you believe me? It doesn't matter what the reason is, God can do it without killing, right? If not, then the point is moot.


So, am I god, then?

you cant see the greater good of things if you already chose not too. but i hope others would see the greater good.

i am sure the creator will not allow you be contaminated too. he will kill the "cannot be saved ones" just to save your soul. i know deep in your heart you will do the same for your children. that is he point of the story.

in the new testament, God extended mercy to the gentiles through Christ. if I may mention. that is the reason orders like the one for Joshua was never repeated again.

God is good.... he is a God that cannot lie. he will reward those who beleive by things not seen by the eyes, not heard by your ears and not desired by your heart.

he promised life where those who followed will not thirst. isn't that good?
do you actually have a negative explaination for that? i dont think so. but i had a positive explaination for your negative interpretation.

but i don't think you will see anything wrong for an afterlife with no need for gatorade. do you?

the bible states love your wife like your own body, it states honor all people, it states preach the good news so others may fear and be saved.

why put malice in something so good? is it because you dont want to be subjected to any kind of rule, except your own?

this goes to everyone.

have a good night

 

[gnostic]

you cant see the greater good of things if you already chose not too. but i hope others would see the greater good.

I have seen enough of Christian's "greater good" in their history.

For the greater good, the Christians have butchered people in the Holy Land during the Crusades.

Greater good when they hunt down so-called heretics and witches. Greater good when a large number of these alleged witches were women, where they tortured them until they will confess anything.

Greater good when they tried to cleanse a person's soul by burning them in a bonfire.

Greater good when they arrested Galileo for teaching astronomy that's truer than Christian dogma of how the world is.

Greater good when they tried to push religious teaching down teachers and students' throats in science classes.

Greater good when they tried to push for laws even on those who are not Christians.

Greater good when Christians forced children from Jewish families to be indoctrinated into Christianity.

Greater good when Christians forced Jews to wear clothes and lived in places, so that they can later easily identified them and persecuted them if they ever become richer or smarter than them.

I can do well without your kind of "greater good", uss_bigd, because history have a bad habit of repeating past errors.

 

[kai]

doesnt anybody have a good word about crusaders?

 

[Magic Man]

I have seen enough of Christian's "greater good" in their history.

For the greater good, the Christians have butchered people in the Holy Land during the Crusades.

Greater good when they hunt down so-called heretics and witches. Greater good when a large number of these alleged witches were women, where they tortured them until they will confess anything.

Greater good when they tried to cleanse a person's soul by burning them in a bonfire.

Greater good when they arrested Galileo for teaching astronomy that's truer than Christian dogma of how the world is.

Greater good when they tried to push religious teaching down teachers and students' throats in science classes.

Greater good when they tried to push for laws even on those who are not Christians.

Greater good when Christians forced children from Jewish families to be indoctrinated into Christianity.

Greater good when Christians forced Jews to wear clothes and lived in places, so that they can later easily identified them and persecuted them if they ever become richer or smarter than them.

I can do well without your kind of "greater good", uss_bigd.

Well, of course, that's because that's humanity. God can see the greater good, and so he's allowed to break his own rules to achieve that. Remember, it's OK for God to give us rules to live by, and then break those very same rules because it's impossible for him to achieve the greater good without breaking his own rules sometimes. It's hard for an omnipotent, omniscient God to give us rules that he himself could also live by. I mean, if that doesn't make sense to you, then there's something wrong with you.

 

[gnostic]

It's hard for an omnipotent, omniscient God to give us rules that he himself could also live by. I mean, if that doesn't make sense to you, then there's something wrong with you.

Yes, I was always the black sheep in the family.

doesnt anybody have a good word about crusaders?

I don't like war, particularly ones with religious agenda.

 

[Autodidact]

you are misconstruing the point sir. i am sorry.

In what way? You seem to be saying that these actions are justified. Am I wrong?

 

[Autodidact]

We have a thread elsewhere in this forum about whether religious belief is dangerous. I submit that uss_bigd proves conclusively that certain religious beliefs can be quite dangerous--to people of other religious faiths and their children.

 

[texan1]

Why do people need some sort of surveillance in the sky or a holy text to tell them not to kill? I, along with most people in the world, would never kill anyone because I believe it causes hurt and suffering and is unjust; not because "God told me not to."

The God described in our Christian bible actually advocates killing, including children. In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants. In Exodus 15:3, the Bible tells us the Lord is a man of war. In Numbers 31, the Lord tells Moses to kill all the Midianites, sparing only the virgins. In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently, and the list goes on.....

Most think of the Muslim extremists as being terrorists and murderers, but they are actually following God's word. Thank goodness many people in our country, including those who consider themselves Christian, ignore much of the Bible and allow human kindness, compassion, and reason rule their lives instead.

I have a little trouble understanding how our Christian churches interpret the Bible to portray God as loving and forgiving, but thank goodness they do!! Many of my friends who attend church regularly are kind people. But I think they would be kind regardless of whether or not they went to church. I don't think they would run out and kill anyone if they decided there was no God

 

[uss_bigd]

I have seen enough of Christian's "greater good" in their history.

For the greater good, the Christians have butchered people in the Holy Land during the Crusades.

Greater good when they hunt down so-called heretics and witches. Greater good when a large number of these alleged witches were women, where they tortured them until they will confess anything.

Greater good when they tried to cleanse a person's soul by burning them in a bonfire.

Greater good when they arrested Galileo for teaching astronomy that's truer than Christian dogma of how the world is.

Greater good when they tried to push religious teaching down teachers and students' throats in science classes.

Greater good when they tried to push for laws even on those who are not Christians.

Greater good when Christians forced children from Jewish families to be indoctrinated into Christianity.

Greater good when Christians forced Jews to wear clothes and lived in places, so that they can later easily identified them and persecuted them if they ever become richer or smarter than them.

I can do well without your kind of "greater good", uss_bigd, because history have a bad habit of repeating past errors.

i know where you are coming from. but you are referring to the CATHOLIC crusades. and sir, we all have limited experiences that is why forums like these opens windows for people to learn other expreiences.

the events you recount are true. they did happen, but these are people who called themselves christians, but are not christians.

catholics NEVER follows the bible, where the teachings of christ are. so we are on the same side as far as being against catholic atrocitiies.

please take my side when i say that those people in those events were not real christians.

 

[uss_bigd]

In what way? You seem to be saying that these actions are justified. Am I wrong?

Regarless how i explain it sir, you will always choose what to look at, so whats the point?

I already made my point, i leave it to the people who has not chosen to close their minds yet. you have to right to close yours.

 

[Azakel]

i know where you are coming from. but you are referring to the CATHOLIC crusades. and sir, we all have limited experiences that is why forums like these opens windows for people to learn other expreiences.
the events you recount are true. they did happen, but these are people who called themselves christians, but are not christians. Crusades may have been Catholic but the rest of his post can be said for Christians though out history.

catholics NEVER follows the bible, where the teachings of christ are. so we are on the same side as far as being against catholic atrocitiies. Wow you are you to say that about Catholic, you as I see it have just insulted them. How do you know they don't follow the Bible just because they don't follow yours.

please take my side when i say that those people in those events were not real christians. Well they sure did believe they where Christians and doing what they did in Gods name. You are you really to say they were not Christians.

My answers are in bold.

 

[uss_bigd]

My answers are in bold.

how hard have you researched about catholic and biblical dcotrine?

i dont think you have done any...which makes you not credible to say anything.

if i explain them to you, would you choose to understand? i dont think so,

i will show proof in a moment.. for those who wants to understand

 

[angellous_evangellous]

how hard have you researched about catholic and biblical dcotrine?

i dont you have done any...which makes yo not credible to say anything.

if i explain them to you, wouldyou choose to understand? i dont think so,

i will show proof in a moment.. for those who wants to understand

This argument is not very sound.

 

[Azakel]

how hard have you researched about catholic and biblical dcotrine?

How hard have you since you really seem to know nothing about it. Catholic do follow the Bible, The Catholic Bible, not theProtestant Bible. But still the Bible, it says Bible right on it too.

i dont think you have done any...which makes you not credible to say anything.

But you have? Even if you have what makes you think you truly know anything about it since you seem to be Anti-Catholic anyways. Now it's no different when you call people fool in another thread for not understanding your religion. I would say you are a fool because you don't seem to understand Catholicism, but I won't.

if i explain them to you, would you choose to understand? i dont think so,

Nice way to judge me. How do you know that I wouldn't chose to understand if you tried to explain it. Though I'm not sure if you would be right, I think I would more trust what a Catholic tells me about there Religion the an Anti-Catholic.

i will show proof in a moment.. for those who wants to understand

Bunk ^_^

 

[gnostic]

i know where you are coming from. but you are referring to the CATHOLIC crusades. and sir, we all have limited experiences that is why forums like these opens windows for people to learn other expreiences.

The other groups of Christians may not not have anything to do with the crusades, but some of them, Protestants and Anglicans were involved in witch-hunt, and their own version of the inquisition for centuries before it finally ended.

And there are many cases where non-Catholic Christians have treated Jews badly.

Christians, other than just the Catholics, have also tried to influenced government have tried to push their theological Creationism into science classes. If I set out to do biology or even evolution, then that's what I would like to do; I don't want be taught about creationism in classes. If I want to know about such thing then I will go to church or Sunday school. There is time and place to learn about creationism, but not in science classes.

 

[uss_bigd]

The other groups of Christians may not not have anything to do with the crusades, but some of them, Protestants and Anglicans were involved in witch-hunt, and their own version of the inquisition for centuries before it finally ended.

And there are many cases where non-Catholic Christians have treated Jews badly.

Christians, other than just the Catholics, have also tried to influenced government have tried to push their theological Creationism into science classes. If I set out to do biology or even evolution, then that's what I would like to do; I don't want be taught about creationism in classes. If I want to know about such thing then I will go to church or Sunday school. There is time and place to learn about creationism, but not in science classes.

I agree with you 100% but not everyone who calls themselves christians are real chrsitians, it says so in th bible.

i felt the same way, and still feel the same way. just give you a birds eye view, my pastor is manhunted from where i came from, exactly because he exposed other religions atrocities.

i hope you see that as far as christian claiming congregations are concerned, we are on the same side.

 

[Autodidact]

Regarless how i explain it sir, you will always choose what to look at, so whats the point?

I already made my point, i leave it to the people who has not chosen to close their minds yet. you have to right to close yours.

I see, not only do you justify slaughtering little babies just because their parents worship a different God from you, but you will neither acknowledge your position, nor attempt to defend it, all based on jumping to the conclusion that my mind is closed, without knowing anything about you except that I oppose murdering babies. So not only do you endorse pure evil, but you leap to conclusions about other people without basis.

btw, are most of the lesbians you know men, or why do you keep calling me, "Sir?"

 

[uss_bigd]

I see, not only do you justify slaughtering little babies just because their parents worship a different God from you, but you will neither acknowledge your position, nor attempt to defend it, all based on jumping to the conclusion that my mind is closed, without knowing anything about you except that I oppose murdering babies. So not only do you endorse pure evil, but you leap to conclusions about other people without basis.

btw, are most of the lesbians you know men, or why do you keep calling me, "Sir?"

Do i endorse pure evil? tsk tsk tsk.

I explained the rationale for God's commandment to joshua in a previous post. if you find that evil, you are beyond help!

Since, you cannot destroy the reasoning behind it, you turn to personal attacks.


i say your mind is closed because you will not consider anything else besides what your limited experience and understanding will tell you.

an open mind is open to basis. if you dont beleive in my basis, then we cannot argue in the same context.

you refuse to understand a good rationale. and i can't call you what fits you.

but you are allowed to call me an endorser of pure evil.

thats just how it is... those in darkness hates the light becaue their deeds are evil as it states in the book of romans.

 

[uss_bigd]

How hard have you since you really seem to know nothing about it. Catholic do follow the Bible, The Catholic Bible, not theProtestant Bible. But still the Bible, it says Bible right on it too.
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for your information, the bible states that bowing to idols is an abomination. what do you see on cathlic churches? i guess you have not read that verse huh?

But you have? Even if you have what makes you think you truly know anything about it since you seem to be Anti-Catholic anyways. Now it's no different when you call people fool in another thread for not understanding your religion. I would say you are a fool because you don't seem to understand Catholicism, but I won't.
Bunk ^_^

sigh!

Leviticus 19:4
" 'Do not turn to idols or make gods of cast metal for yourselves. I am the LORD your God.

am i anti catholic? i didnt write the bible.