Does belief in the Flood indicate intellectual incapacity?

[Harold]

It has been proven, proven mythology.

So... there was not a flood because all these people have myths about a flood.

Europe

Greek
Roman
Scandinavian
Celtic
Welsh
Lithuanian
German
Turkey
Vogul

Near East

Middle Eastern Generally
Egypt
Persian
Assyrian
Hebrew
Babylonian
Chaldean
Zoroastrian

Africa

Pygmy
Kikuyu (Kenya)
Southwest Tanzania
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria)
Basonge
Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Bakongo (west Zaire)
Bachokwe? (southern Zaire)
Lower Congo
Komililo Nandi
Cameroon
Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
!Kung

Far East

Hindu
Bhil (central India)
Kamar (Raipur District, Central India)
Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Lepcha (Sikkim)
Tibet
Singpho (Assam)
Lushai (Assam)
Assam
Mongolia
China
Bahnar (Cochin China)
Lolo (southwestern China)
Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal)
Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
Kammu (northern Thailand)
Benua-Jakun (Malay Peninsula)
Kelantan (Malay Peninsula)
Ami (eastern Taiwan)
Ifugao (Philippines)
Atá (Philippines)
Batak (Sumatra)
Nias (an island west of Sumatra)
Engano (another island west of Sumatra)
Dyak (Borneo)
Ot-Danom (Dutch Borneo)
Toradja (central Celebes)
Alfoor (between Celebes and New Guinea)
Rotti (southwest of Timor)
Nage (Flores)

Australasia and Pacific Islands

Kabadi (New Guinea)
Valman (northern New Guinea)
Mamberao River (Irian Jaya)
Australian
Arnhem Land (northern Northern Territory)
Gumaidj (Arnhem Land)
Maung (Goulburn Islands, Arnhem Land)
Gunwinggu (northern Arnhem Land)
Manger (Arnhem Land)
Western Australia
Andingari (South Australia)
Wiranggu (South Australia)
Victoria
Lake Tyres (Victoria)
Kurnai (Gippsland, Victoria)
Maori (New Zealand)
Palau Islands (Micronesia)
New Hebrides
Lifou (one of the Loyalty Islands)
Fiji
Samoa
Mangaia (Cook Islands)
Raiatea (Leeward Group, French Polynesia)
Tahiti
Hawaii

North and Central America

North America generally
Netsilik Eskimo
Norton Sound Eskimo
Tlingit (southern Alaska coast)
Hareskin (Alaska)
Tinneh (Alaska)
Haida (Queen Charlotte Is., British Columbia)
Kaska (northern inland British Columbia)
Squamish (British Columbia)
Tsimshian (British Columbia)
Skagit (Washington)
Skokomish (Washington)
Makah (Cape Flattery, Washington)
Quillayute (Washington)
Nisqually (Washington)
Warm Springs (Oregon)
Joshua (southern Oregon)
Shasta (northern California interior)
Northern California Coast
Pomo (north central California)
Salinan (California)
Luiseño (Southern California)
Kootenay (southeast British Columbia)
Yakima (Washington)
Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington)
Algonquin (upper Ottowa River)
Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana)
Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada)
Greenlander
Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence)
Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin)
Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border)
Cheyenne (Minnesota)
Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee)
Mandan (North Dakota)
Dakota
Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas)
Tsetsaut
Choctaw (Mississippi)
Natchez (Lower Mississippi)
Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana)
Navajo (Four Corners area)
Yuma (western Arizona, southern California)
Pima (southwest Arizona)
Papago (Arizona)
Hopi (northeast Arizona)
Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Mexico
Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico)
Tarahumara (Northern Mexico)
Michoacan (Mexico)
Toltec (Mexico)
Mayan
Huichol (western Mexico)
Cora (east of the Huichols)
Nahua (central Mexico)
Totonac (eastern Mexico)
Nicaragua
Panama

South America

Muysca (Colombia)
Desana (southern Colombia)
Tamanaque (Orinoco)
Makiritare (Venezuela)
Yanomamo (southern Venezuela)
Arekuna (Guyana)
Arawak (Guyana)
Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (eastern Peru)
Ipurina (Upper Amazon)
Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region)
Coroado (south Brazil)
Jivaro (eastern Ecuador)
Shuar (Andes)
Araucania (coastal Chile)
Quechua
Inca (Peru)
Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia)
Chorote (Eastern Paraguay)
Toba (Northern Argentina)
Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)

And if there was a flood and everyone came out of one family and expanded onto the earth the story would be exactly the same because everyone remembers and sees everything exactly the same.

And we know as stories are handed down from generation to generation they never get them wrong!

It would appear that the lie was so good that each group of people decided to come up with their own version of a flood that never happened. But we are smarter then them and are able to see that it is all a lie.

And the old maps from before the first pole shifts are also a lie. Those ancient people lied a lot. :yes:

So as the polls shift and as volcano's (like the one in Yellow Stone that could change the entire world) take shape there is nothing to worry about because everything is as it has always been. :beach:

Nothing will ever change. The dollar will never crash. The volcano's will never erupt and the poll shift will never happen. :areyoucra

 

[metis]

About 1/3 of the cultures as far as we can tell didn't have floods as part of their cultural tradition, and the accounts of those that did often vary significantly. What was typical was to "borrow" a flood narrative but change it around to meet the morals and values of the borrowing culture, and teach it to the kids and the adults, which we call "oral traditions" or "myths". Storytelling was a fine art, especially in societies that had no written tradition, but it's also found abundantly in literate societies as well.

 

[Looncall]

So... there was not a flood because all these people have myths about a flood.

Europe

Greek
Roman
Scandinavian
Celtic
Welsh
Lithuanian
German
Turkey
Vogul

Near East

Middle Eastern Generally
Egypt
Persian
Assyrian
Hebrew
Babylonian
Chaldean
Zoroastrian

Africa

Pygmy
Kikuyu (Kenya)
Southwest Tanzania
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria)
Basonge
Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Bakongo (west Zaire)
Bachokwe? (southern Zaire)
Lower Congo
Komililo Nandi
Cameroon
Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
!Kung

Far East

Hindu
Bhil (central India)
Kamar (Raipur District, Central India)
Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Lepcha (Sikkim)
Tibet
Singpho (Assam)
Lushai (Assam)
Assam
Mongolia
China
Bahnar (Cochin China)
Lolo (southwestern China)
Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal)
Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
Kammu (northern Thailand)
Benua-Jakun (Malay Peninsula)
Kelantan (Malay Peninsula)
Ami (eastern Taiwan)
Ifugao (Philippines)
Atá (Philippines)
Batak (Sumatra)
Nias (an island west of Sumatra)
Engano (another island west of Sumatra)
Dyak (Borneo)
Ot-Danom (Dutch Borneo)
Toradja (central Celebes)
Alfoor (between Celebes and New Guinea)
Rotti (southwest of Timor)
Nage (Flores)

Australasia and Pacific Islands

Kabadi (New Guinea)
Valman (northern New Guinea)
Mamberao River (Irian Jaya)
Australian
Arnhem Land (northern Northern Territory)
Gumaidj (Arnhem Land)
Maung (Goulburn Islands, Arnhem Land)
Gunwinggu (northern Arnhem Land)
Manger (Arnhem Land)
Western Australia
Andingari (South Australia)
Wiranggu (South Australia)
Victoria
Lake Tyres (Victoria)
Kurnai (Gippsland, Victoria)
Maori (New Zealand)
Palau Islands (Micronesia)
New Hebrides
Lifou (one of the Loyalty Islands)
Fiji
Samoa
Mangaia (Cook Islands)
Raiatea (Leeward Group, French Polynesia)
Tahiti
Hawaii

North and Central America

North America generally
Netsilik Eskimo
Norton Sound Eskimo
Tlingit (southern Alaska coast)
Hareskin (Alaska)
Tinneh (Alaska)
Haida (Queen Charlotte Is., British Columbia)
Kaska (northern inland British Columbia)
Squamish (British Columbia)
Tsimshian (British Columbia)
Skagit (Washington)
Skokomish (Washington)
Makah (Cape Flattery, Washington)
Quillayute (Washington)
Nisqually (Washington)
Warm Springs (Oregon)
Joshua (southern Oregon)
Shasta (northern California interior)
Northern California Coast
Pomo (north central California)
Salinan (California)
Luiseño (Southern California)
Kootenay (southeast British Columbia)
Yakima (Washington)
Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington)
Algonquin (upper Ottowa River)
Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana)
Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada)
Greenlander
Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence)
Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin)
Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border)
Cheyenne (Minnesota)
Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee)
Mandan (North Dakota)
Dakota
Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas)
Tsetsaut
Choctaw (Mississippi)
Natchez (Lower Mississippi)
Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana)
Navajo (Four Corners area)
Yuma (western Arizona, southern California)
Pima (southwest Arizona)
Papago (Arizona)
Hopi (northeast Arizona)
Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Mexico
Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico)
Tarahumara (Northern Mexico)
Michoacan (Mexico)
Toltec (Mexico)
Mayan
Huichol (western Mexico)
Cora (east of the Huichols)
Nahua (central Mexico)
Totonac (eastern Mexico)
Nicaragua
Panama

South America

Muysca (Colombia)
Desana (southern Colombia)
Tamanaque (Orinoco)
Makiritare (Venezuela)
Yanomamo (southern Venezuela)
Arekuna (Guyana)
Arawak (Guyana)
Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (eastern Peru)
Ipurina (Upper Amazon)
Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region)
Coroado (south Brazil)
Jivaro (eastern Ecuador)
Shuar (Andes)
Araucania (coastal Chile)
Quechua
Inca (Peru)
Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia)
Chorote (Eastern Paraguay)
Toba (Northern Argentina)
Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)

And if there was a flood and everyone came out of one family and expanded onto the earth the story would be exactly the same because everyone remembers and sees everything exactly the same.

And we know as stories are handed down from generation to generation they never get them wrong!

It would appear that the lie was so good that each group of people decided to come up with their own version of a flood that never happened. But we are smarter then them and are able to see that it is all a lie.

And the old maps from before the first pole shifts are also a lie. Those ancient people lied a lot. :yes:

So as the polls shift and as volcano's (like the one in Yellow Stone that could change the entire world) take shape there is nothing to worry about because everything is as it has always been. :beach:

Nothing will ever change. The dollar will never crash. The volcano's will never erupt and the poll shift will never happen. :areyoucra

Floods happen all over and cause serious damage. Of course many people have stories about them. No big deal.

 

[outhouse]

So... there was not a flood because all these people have myths about a flood.

The biblical global flood is mythical.


When is the last time Israel had a huge flood?





Many of the countries you listed were due to regional flooding, many tsunamis. And most do not have dates any where near the mythical flood of the bible.


It is nothing more then quote mining out of context to meet personal theistic needs wants and desires on your part.

Your giving examples of intellectual incapacity :yes:

 

[Henrique Aguiar]

The biblical global flood is mythical.

Can you prove how "mythical" it is? Otherwise, I see no consistency in your words.

 

[Looncall]

Can you prove how "mythical" it is? Otherwise, I see no consistency in your words.

There are no traces of any such flood having occurred. Therefore, it must be mythical. There, easy. Next?

 

[Henrique Aguiar]

There are no traces of any such flood having occurred. Therefore, it must be mythical. There, easy. Next?

Schrödinger's cat: You can not prove that this is a myth. You can not prove that this is not a myth.

Facing a very intangible fact, we have to cling to the tangible evidences: the legends about the flood.

What about the testimonies of numerous and diverse cultures around the world that we have witnessed over the time? It has no value? What's your opinion about it?

 

[Looncall]

Schrödinger's cat: You can not prove that this is a myth. You can not prove that this is not a myth.

Facing a very intangible fact, we have to cling to the tangible evidences: the legends about the flood.

What about the testimonies of numerous and diverse cultures around the world that we have witnessed over the time? It has no value? What's your opinion about it?

If traces of such a flood that would certainly be present are absent, no collection of folk tales has any relevance to the question of whether the Noachian flood occurred.

Such a collection might have value in providing insight into human psychology, but not into human history (at least where the flood is concerned).

You will have to tapdance your intellect a lot harder than this to rescue the flood.

 

[Parsimony]

Super-cooled ice was magnetically held up -- Meisner Effect.

Since when can ice be a superconductor?

 

[averageJOE]

So... there was not a flood because all these people have myths about a flood.

Europe

Greek
Roman
Scandinavian
Celtic
Welsh
Lithuanian
German
Turkey
Vogul

Near East

Middle Eastern Generally
Egypt
Persian
Assyrian
Hebrew
Babylonian
Chaldean
Zoroastrian

Africa

Pygmy
Kikuyu (Kenya)
Southwest Tanzania
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria)
Basonge
Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Bakongo (west Zaire)
Bachokwe? (southern Zaire)
Lower Congo
Komililo Nandi
Cameroon
Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
!Kung

Far East

Hindu
Bhil (central India)
Kamar (Raipur District, Central India)
Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Lepcha (Sikkim)
Tibet
Singpho (Assam)
Lushai (Assam)
Assam
Mongolia
China
Bahnar (Cochin China)
Lolo (southwestern China)
Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal)
Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
Kammu (northern Thailand)
Benua-Jakun (Malay Peninsula)
Kelantan (Malay Peninsula)
Ami (eastern Taiwan)
Ifugao (Philippines)
Atá (Philippines)
Batak (Sumatra)
Nias (an island west of Sumatra)
Engano (another island west of Sumatra)
Dyak (Borneo)
Ot-Danom (Dutch Borneo)
Toradja (central Celebes)
Alfoor (between Celebes and New Guinea)
Rotti (southwest of Timor)
Nage (Flores)

Australasia and Pacific Islands

Kabadi (New Guinea)
Valman (northern New Guinea)
Mamberao River (Irian Jaya)
Australian
Arnhem Land (northern Northern Territory)
Gumaidj (Arnhem Land)
Maung (Goulburn Islands, Arnhem Land)
Gunwinggu (northern Arnhem Land)
Manger (Arnhem Land)
Western Australia
Andingari (South Australia)
Wiranggu (South Australia)
Victoria
Lake Tyres (Victoria)
Kurnai (Gippsland, Victoria)
Maori (New Zealand)
Palau Islands (Micronesia)
New Hebrides
Lifou (one of the Loyalty Islands)
Fiji
Samoa
Mangaia (Cook Islands)
Raiatea (Leeward Group, French Polynesia)
Tahiti
Hawaii

North and Central America

North America generally
Netsilik Eskimo
Norton Sound Eskimo
Tlingit (southern Alaska coast)
Hareskin (Alaska)
Tinneh (Alaska)
Haida (Queen Charlotte Is., British Columbia)
Kaska (northern inland British Columbia)
Squamish (British Columbia)
Tsimshian (British Columbia)
Skagit (Washington)
Skokomish (Washington)
Makah (Cape Flattery, Washington)
Quillayute (Washington)
Nisqually (Washington)
Warm Springs (Oregon)
Joshua (southern Oregon)
Shasta (northern California interior)
Northern California Coast
Pomo (north central California)
Salinan (California)
Luiseño (Southern California)
Kootenay (southeast British Columbia)
Yakima (Washington)
Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington)
Algonquin (upper Ottowa River)
Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana)
Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada)
Greenlander
Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence)
Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin)
Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border)
Cheyenne (Minnesota)
Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee)
Mandan (North Dakota)
Dakota
Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas)
Tsetsaut
Choctaw (Mississippi)
Natchez (Lower Mississippi)
Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana)
Navajo (Four Corners area)
Yuma (western Arizona, southern California)
Pima (southwest Arizona)
Papago (Arizona)
Hopi (northeast Arizona)
Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Mexico
Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico)
Tarahumara (Northern Mexico)
Michoacan (Mexico)
Toltec (Mexico)
Mayan
Huichol (western Mexico)
Cora (east of the Huichols)
Nahua (central Mexico)
Totonac (eastern Mexico)
Nicaragua
Panama

South America

Muysca (Colombia)
Desana (southern Colombia)
Tamanaque (Orinoco)
Makiritare (Venezuela)
Yanomamo (southern Venezuela)
Arekuna (Guyana)
Arawak (Guyana)
Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (eastern Peru)
Ipurina (Upper Amazon)
Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region)
Coroado (south Brazil)
Jivaro (eastern Ecuador)
Shuar (Andes)
Araucania (coastal Chile)
Quechua
Inca (Peru)
Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia)
Chorote (Eastern Paraguay)
Toba (Northern Argentina)
Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)

And if there was a flood and everyone came out of one family and expanded onto the earth the story would be exactly the same because everyone remembers and sees everything exactly the same.

And we know as stories are handed down from generation to generation they never get them wrong!

It would appear that the lie was so good that each group of people decided to come up with their own version of a flood that never happened. But we are smarter then them and are able to see that it is all a lie.

And the old maps from before the first pole shifts are also a lie. Those ancient people lied a lot. :yes:

So as the polls shift and as volcano's (like the one in Yellow Stone that could change the entire world) take shape there is nothing to worry about because everything is as it has always been. :beach:

Nothing will ever change. The dollar will never crash. The volcano's will never erupt and the poll shift will never happen. :areyoucra

Interesting that you didn't include dates with your list.

 

[Henrique Aguiar]

If traces of such a flood that would certainly be present are absent, no collection of folk tales has any relevance to the question of whether the Noachian flood occurred.

But what if these "folk tales" are not from a particular people, but from almost all peoples and cultures of the world? You can not underestimate this fact. Remember that Troy was once a legend. Today, Troy is a reality.

Such a collection might have value in providing insight into human psychology, but not into human history (at least where the flood is concerned).

If I throw a needle in a haystack and you cannot find it, this does not mean that the needle is not there, right?

 

[Looncall]

But what if these "folk tales" are not from a particular people, but from almost all peoples and cultures of the world? You can not underestimate this fact. Remember that Troy was once a legend. Today, Troy is a reality.



If I throw a needle in a haystack and you cannot find it, this does not mean that the needle is not there, right?

Yet, once again, where are the traces that would be present if such a flood had happened? How did civilizations live undisturbed through a global flood?

These are real items of evidence. You must explain them to support your proposition that the flood happened. They cannot be replaced by a bunch of campfire yarns.

 

[Harold]

Your giving examples of intellectual incapacity :yes:

[FONT=&quot]Polystrate Fossils:


Such fossils are found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, and which often traverse multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds.


They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80feet long.Sometimes they are oblique in relation to the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular to it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata.


Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, and, at least one was40 feet long.


Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 have both roots and rootlets attached.
Many, if not most, of the large, fragmented, and broken off Stigmatic roots are also missingtheir rootlets. In fact, that's how such "stigmaria" roots got their name: i.e. because of their broken off and/or missing -- rootlets.

Many of these roots and rootlets, are also buried individually. Thus virtually proving that they were not buried "in place" where they grew, but rather were uprooted and re-buried where they are now found.


Similar circumstances occur at various other places in Nova Scotia, as well as in the United States, England, Germany, and France. Another place where large tree stumps are preserved without their roots attached is Axel HeibergIsland in Northern Canada.


Fossils Themselves:


Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buriedsoon after it dies.Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past.


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[Henrique Aguiar]

Yet, once again, where are the traces that would be present if such a flood had happened? How did civilizations live undisturbed through a global flood?

These are real items of evidence. You must explain them to support your proposition that the flood happened. They cannot be replaced by a bunch of campfire yarns.

Yet, once again, paraphrasing the theory of Schrodinger's Cat: You cannot prove that this is a myth. While I cannot prove that this isn't a myth.
Remember that you can have your opinion but not your own facts.

 

[Looncall]

Yet, once again, paraphrasing the theory of Schrodinger's Cat: You cannot prove that this is a myth. While I cannot prove that this isn't a myth.
Remember that you can have your opinion but not your own facts.

Yet the available facts do not support the occurrence of Noah's flood.

What's with Schrodinger's cat? One doesn't have a superposition of histories. It is not the case that the flood both did and did not happen.

 

[Looncall]

[FONT=&quot]Polystrate Fossils:


Such fossils are found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, and which often traverse multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds.


They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80feet long.Sometimes they are oblique in relation to the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular to it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata.


Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, and, at least one was40 feet long.


Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 have both roots and rootlets attached.
Many, if not most, of the large, fragmented, and broken off Stigmatic roots are also missingtheir rootlets. In fact, that's how such "stigmaria" roots got their name: i.e. because of their broken off and/or missing -- rootlets.

Many of these roots and rootlets, are also buried individually. Thus virtually proving that they were not buried "in place" where they grew, but rather were uprooted and re-buried where they are now found.


Similar circumstances occur at various other places in Nova Scotia, as well as in the United States, England, Germany, and France. Another place where large tree stumps are preserved without their roots attached is Axel HeibergIsland in Northern Canada.


Fossils Themselves:


Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buriedsoon after it dies.Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past.


[/FONT]

Floods and eruptions happen all the time. So what?

 

[outhouse]

Can you prove how "mythical" it is? Otherwise, I see no consistency in your words.

Yes I can prove it is mythical.


The mythology started after the Euphrates overflowed in 2900 BC. this is a attested factual flood that devastated the region.

Not long after that we get the Sumerian mythology of Ziusudra who is also found on the known kings list. Much of the wording is the same as the Israelites version. This however was NOT written as a global deluge.

Not long after we have the Akkadian version of this flood mythology.


Not long after this we have the epic of Gilgamesh that is now a sea deluge and based on these two previous versions. It also has many verses identical to the Israelites.


Then we have the Israelite version who were influenced by he Mesopotamian cultures while in exile there. And the Israelites flat tell you their version comes from Mesopotamia.

Now on with the facts you will ignore.


There is factually no evidence for a global flood.

There was factually no break in any civilization around the world from a global flood when the bible states it happened.

It is known mythology


Then we get on with these pesky facts you cannot refute with a ounce of credibility what so ever.

Not one credible college teaches global deluge 101 IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[outhouse]

[FONT=&quot]Polystrate Fossils:


Such fossils are found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, and which often traverse multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds.


They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80feet long.Sometimes they are oblique in relation to the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular to it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata.


Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, and, at least one was40 feet long.


Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 have both roots and rootlets attached.
Many, if not most, of the large, fragmented, and broken off Stigmatic roots are also missingtheir rootlets. In fact, that's how such "stigmaria" roots got their name: i.e. because of their broken off and/or missing -- rootlets.

Many of these roots and rootlets, are also buried individually. Thus virtually proving that they were not buried "in place" where they grew, but rather were uprooted and re-buried where they are now found.


Similar circumstances occur at various other places in Nova Scotia, as well as in the United States, England, Germany, and France. Another place where large tree stumps are preserved without their roots attached is Axel HeibergIsland in Northern Canada.


Fossils Themselves:


Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buriedsoon after it dies.Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past.


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Your not proving a global flood at this point.

You are proving intellectual incapacity by perverting known credible science with a personal version that carries no credibility what so ever.

 

[outhouse]

Lets just attack those who use Israelites theology to create history.


Israelites had no idea of history, they did not even know their own origins.


Israelites evolved from displaced Canaanites, and there was no exodus from Egypt as recorded. They were writing theology NOT HISTORY.

Explain

Why did Israelites use ONLY Canaanite deities?

Why did Israelites use ONLY the Canaanite alphabet?

Why Did Israelite pottery ONLY match Canaanite pottery?

If you cannot answer these three question, You have no business debating any history regarding the ethnogenesis of Israelites

 

[Harold]

Yes I can prove it is mythical.


The mythology started after the Euphrates overflowed in 2900 BC. this is a attested factual flood that devastated the region.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Let me do some more research lol
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