Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[sojourner]

True Christians do not celebrate X-mas.

You said that already. True Christians absolutely celebrate Xmas. That's why Xmas is second only to Easter as the church's most important major Feast.

 

[Nakosis]

An idea from another thread, does Xmas have anything to do with Christ?

Just vote and comment if you want.

Nope, just a traditional holiday with Christmasy things. Even growing up in the 60s/70s Christmas had nothing to do with religion or Jesus. It was a while before I even realized Christmas was from two words.

 

[sojourner]

Nope, just a traditional holiday with Christmasy things. Even growing up in the 60s/70s Christmas had nothing to do with religion or Jesus. It was a while before I even realized Christmas was from two words.

So, millions of Christians celebrating the birth of Jesus during a holiday they'e always called "Christmas" has nothing to do with Jesus?

 

[Desert Snake]

Nope, just a traditional holiday with Christmasy things. Even growing up in the 60s/70s Christmas had nothing to do with religion or Jesus. It was a while before I even realized Christmas was from two words.

Since I don't use the word 'mass' in everyday conversation, I didn't know how the word formed until I read it at some point, or someone told me. I always knew that Jesus was involved in 'Christmas', though.

 

[Nada]

Since I don't use the word 'mass' in everyday conversation, I didn't know how the word formed until I read it at some point, or someone told me. I always knew that Jesus was involved in 'Christmas', though.

Jesus is not involved in X-mas.

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus is not involved in X-mas.

Yeah, you're right. The nativity scene is not depicting Jesus.

 

[Nada]

Yeah, you're right. The nativity scene is not depicting Jesus.

Just because men depict Jesus in the nativity scene during X-mas time does not mean God condones this or that it is true.God nor Jesus ever command that his birth be celebrated.December 25th is never mentioned anywhere in the holy scriptures as being Jesus B-day.

 

[Desert Snake]

Just because men depict Jesus in the nativity scene during X-mas time does not mean God condones this or that it is true.God nor Jesus ever command that his birth be celebrated.December 25th is never mentioned anywhere in the holy scriptures as being Jesus B-day.

So now you're a literalist? Might want to rethink that position.
The Bible also doesn't 'command' a lot of things.

 

[Nada]

So now you're a literalist? Might want to rethink that position.

I'm not the one who is very confused.

 

[Ingledsva]

C.O.N.T.E.X.T.

Perhaps you would like to give a rebuttal - instead of a word.

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[Ingledsva]

Again, context.

With regard to tradition -- that's all the bible is: part of the Tradition. There was never any intention that the bible should be the sole authority for Xy. It matters not that the term "Trinity" does not appear in the bible. What matters is that the church always held the concept that Jesus was Divine.

That is not true. The Writings of the time, and the Nicene Councils, prove some Christians did NOT consider Jesus divine. They were correct, and they were silenced.


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[Ingledsva]

I mean that all textual excerpts have to be taken in the context of the whole text. Jesus said lots of stuff that can be taken any number of ways. You have to have the context. It doesn't simply mean "whatever I want it to mean."

Nor what YOU want it to mean.

The Jesus verses are consistent. He says to worship the FATHER. He is sent from the FATHER. His power is from the FATHER. ETC.

And HE NEVER says he is God, or part of a trinity.


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[Ingledsva]

Okay? If you don't agree with the Trinity of Christianity, nobody is suggesting you follow it. Their traditions - their religion - is important to them. It is not to you, and that's okay.

It is important to discuss because they are claiming Jesus is divine, a God, part of a trinity.

None of which the Bible says.

The messiah was to be a special human - like King David, who was to bring about the end, and Final Judgment.

He was NOT supposed to be a "Pagan" Son/God-Sacrifice.

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[Ingledsva]

So, millions of Christians celebrating the birth of Jesus during a holiday they'e always called "Christmas" has nothing to do with Jesus?

Again - not so.

First use - 1038 in a book from Saxon England - "Cristes Maesse" - meaning a mass, - not a holiday.

In Medieval England revelry on "Cristes Maesse" was still banned.

In fact Christmas got banned over and over throughout it's history, - because the revelry parts were know to be Pagan.


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[sojourner]

Perhaps you would like to give a rebuttal - instead of a word.

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I've reminded you about the importance of context several times, yet you still continue to lift things out of context and distort the meaning of the texts. When you stop doing that, perhaps your posts will present a bona fide argument, and thus merit a rebuttal. In the meantime, all I can do with you is remedial work.

 

[sojourner]

That is not true. The Writings of the time, and the Nicene Councils, prove some Christians did NOT consider Jesus divine. They were correct, and they were silenced.


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Were they? Apparently, they were neither "correct" nor "silenced," because I'm still hearing their static, and they still have presented no evidence to prove that their point is one of fact, and not complete conjecture.

 

[sojourner]

Nor what YOU want it to mean.

The Jesus verses are consistent. He says to worship the FATHER. He is sent from the FATHER. His power is from the FATHER. ETC.

And HE NEVER says he is God, or part of a trinity.


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I don't "want it to mean" anything. Again, if. you. would. provide. some. context. instead. of. quote. mining. we. could. be. more. productive.

 

[Ingledsva]

I've reminded you about the importance of context several times, yet you still continue to lift things out of context and distort the meaning of the texts. When you stop doing that, perhaps your posts will present a bona fide argument, and thus merit a rebuttal. In the meantime, all I can do with you is remedial work.

LOL! BULL! That is why I include the verses, as needed.

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[Desert Snake]

It is important to discuss because they are claiming Jesus is divine, a God, part of a trinity.

None of which the Bible says.

The messiah was to be a special human - like King David, who was to bring about the end, and Final Judgment.

He was NOT supposed to be a "Pagan" Son/God-Sacrifice.

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Jesus is not only called God in the Bible, the father calls Him that. Then goes on to call Jeshua the Creator of the heavens and earth. This is aside from the fact that elsewhere in the Bible Jeshua is said to have all the power in heaven and earth. If Christians don't worship Jesus as God, they don't have a god who has any power.

 

[sojourner]

It is important to discuss because they are claiming Jesus is divine, a God, part of a trinity.

None of which the Bible says.

The messiah was to be a special human - like King David, who was to bring about the end, and Final Judgment.

He was NOT supposed to be a "Pagan" Son/God-Sacrifice.

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What you fail to understand is that it doesn't matter that the bible doesn't specifically say it. The bible isn't the sole authority. It is part of the whole Tradition of the church. Extra-biblical writings are also authoritative. When you understand the texts that present Jesus to us, then you will understand that what sets Jesus apart is that he does not conform to the pre-existing idea of Messiah.