Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[Desert Snake]

LOL! I suggest you re-read that.

You know perfectly well in John 10, Jesus is referencing Psalm 82:6.

Jesus is not claiming to be GOD, He is referencing Psalms - he has challanged the Priest Judges, saying he is Judge, or Magistrate. The Messiah was to bring the end and FINAL JUDGMENT!

When they claim he blasphemes, he quotes from Psalm 82 - Which is a whole section on bad judges, where in Psalm 82:6 they are told "I said, 'You are (Elohiym), And all of you are the sons of the Most High."

Elohiym as has been mentioned many times - does not just mean gods - and in this case it is saying they shall be righteous Judges over the Israelites.

Jesus is saying (as per the OT quote) He is a/or THE Judge/Magistrate.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said, you are theos?

Both Elohiym in the Hebrew and theos in the greek have the meaning Judge/Magistrate, as well as god.

This is obviously the meaning as the OT people aren't GODS. And note "they" like Jesus, are "sons of the most high."

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What's funny is that before I knew about Xianity I would have agreed with you.

 

[Ingledsva]

What's funny is that before I knew about Xianity I would have agreed with you.

So - your rebuttal is?


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[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you think Jesus was really born of the 25th of Dec?

No... So what exactly are they celebrating? What does Christmas have to do with Jesus?

Pick some pagan holiday and say it's for Jesus, ok. Not that I want to pick on Christians but the falsity of it is astounding.

The real question, does Christmas have anything to do with Christ? Anything? Something? The answer, no not really. But, just say it does and go about your religion.

I don't think that anyone really believes that Jesus was born on December 25th. But that doesn't matter. Christmas has deep meaning for Christians.To them, it's about the birth of hope and salvation. Religions that make it a point to tear down holidays as some evil thing are always depressing and anti-human, to me. To celebrate and have festivals are part of what it means to be alive and human.

 

[Desert Snake]

All the verses I've presented at various times. Xian tradition. The problem of Jesus not being divine..you simply refuse to accept the fact that this is, real Xian belief. Some church leaders didn't 'invent' this, Paul didn't 'invent' this. There is nothing to indicate these verses aren't literal, you are asking me to take all the meaning out Biblical words, 'god doesn't mean god, lord doesn't mean lord, god means a man, god doesn't mean a man, Elohim is meant by god but not in the case of jesus but in the case of genesis jesus is called creator but it's not literal he's a man being called god but the god of the ot is different in word usage but not always lolol

So - your rebuttal is?


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[Desert Snake]

I don't think that anyone really believes that Jesus was born on December 25th. But that doesn't matter. Christmas has deep meaning for Christians.To them, it's about the birth of hope and salvation. Religions that make it a point to tear down holidays as some evil thing are always depressing and anti-human, to me. To celebrate and have festivals are part of what it means to be alive and human.

From just a scholarly viewpoint, Xmas is extremely 'religious' and intoned with reference to Jesus. In the west we have somewhat of a quasi religious aspect but most everyone is familiar with the Nativity scene, if not Xian stories that involve in this holiday.
CHRIST-mas.

 

[Ingledsva]

All the verses I've presented at various times. Xian tradition. The problem of Jesus not being divine..you simply refuse to accept the fact that this is, real Xian belief. Some church leaders didn't 'invent' this, Paul didn't 'invent' this. There is nothing to indicate these verses aren't literal, you are asking me to take all the meaning out Biblical words, 'god doesn't mean god, lord doesn't mean lord, god means a man, god doesn't mean a man, Elohim is meant by god but not in the case of jesus but in the case of genesis jesus is called creator but it's not literal he's a man being called god but the god of the ot is different in word usage but not always lolol

This is baloney! In context - remember.

Jesus references a Psalm verse - when he is asked. That verse is about HUMANS.


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[Renji]

Well, it used to be a pagan holiday, now associated with christianism, aiming to 'christianize' it (and eventually failed).

 

[Desert Snake]

I think Xmas started as a Xian religious holiday and over time pagan 'extras 'were added, hence santa claus etc.

Well, it used to be a pagan holiday, now associated with christianism, aiming to 'christianize' it (and eventually failed).

 

[Estro Felino]

I think it does. Actually for a Christian Eastern should be more important than Christmas

 

[oldbadger]

An idea from another thread, does Xmas have anything to do with Christ?

Just vote and comment if you want.

Hello.......
Yes, of course Christmas has something to do with 'Christ'.
But it has nothing to do with Yeshua the Galilean carpenter and natural healer.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

I think Xmas started as a Xian religious holiday and over time pagan 'extras 'were added, hence santa claus etc.

What do you base that on? Early Christians were Jews who likely kept the Jewish holy days. Christmas is pagan in origin all the way up, and I already explained some of the ways in which it is.

 

[Desert Snake]

What do you base that on? Early Christians were Jews who likely kept the Jewish holy days. Christmas is pagan in origin all the way up, and I already explained some of the ways in which it is.

That was sketchy at best, sorry. Xmas was traditionally, highly steeped in Xian religion.
"Pagan in origin" is not saying Xmas isn't part of Xian belief or worship of Christ etc.
ps calling it 'Christmas' isn''t being very sneaky lol, I think everyone knew it was about Jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

Hello.......
Yes, of course Christmas has something to do with 'Christ'.
But it has nothing to do with Yeshua the Galilean carpenter and natural healer.

It's a good thing I don't worship a Galilean 'natural healer' and carpenter. btw I thought He was a fisherman.

 

[Renji]

I think Xmas started as a Xian religious holiday and over time pagan 'extras 'were added, hence santa claus etc.

No, historically December 25 used to be a pagan holiday used to celebrate the birth of the unconquered sun (or what the Romans call the 'natalis solis invicti') and the birth of Mithras. It was only during the time of Emperor Constantine when the western 'christians' celebrated on that date the birth of Christ. For me, it failed to 'christianize' that holiday. Kids know more of Santa than Jesus.

Not a christian btw. Just used to be one.

 

[sojourner]

LOL! Don't try to push the meaning. This was a go to church day - NOT a holiday.

In ancient (as well as modern times) a holiday and a "go to church day" were The. Same. Thing. In fact, Christmas Day is still a holy day (holiday) of obligation, meaning that "you're supposed to go to church." Sorry. You fail.

 

[sojourner]

BULL! If it isn't in the text - it is MADE UP TRADITION of man!

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the texts are "made-up tradition of man," for Pete's sake! You really need to let go of this puerile notion that the bible is some magical document.

 

[oldbadger]

It's a good thing I don't worship a Galilean 'natural healer' and carpenter. btw I thought He was a fisherman.

Hi....
I think that Yeshua did hang out with, supply to, fishermen. He probably worked on their boats, made oars, spars, etc..... is my guess.
But I think Yeshua was a healer, it's just my guess.

I like Christmasa. It's always been there throughout my life. I don't think that people should worry too much about it. We used to celebrate Harvest, Christmas, Easter (new life?) and Mid Summer, matching closely to the solstices.

 

[Nakosis]

I don't think that anyone really believes that Jesus was born on December 25th. But that doesn't matter. Christmas has deep meaning for Christians.To them, it's about the birth of hope and salvation. Religions that make it a point to tear down holidays as some evil thing are always depressing and anti-human, to me. To celebrate and have festivals are part of what it means to be alive and human.

To celebrate is fine, but what is the depth? How does Santa Claus, candy canes, gift giving and Christmas trees have anything to do with Jesus? You want to say it is about hope and salvation. Where is that reflected in the celebration?

 

[Nada]

What's funny is that before I knew about Xianity I would have agreed with you.

But you don't know about true Christianity.