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Does God actually hate me?
- Thread starter zombieharlot
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D.L. Dallman
New Member
Umm... have you ever eaten shellfish? Then he definitely hates you. In fact, being that Eve was the first to move from the lord's grace, and you are one of her many daughters, I must assume that God triple-hates you.
finalfrogo
Well-Known Member
zombieharlot said:
You shouldn't!
If you'll notice, it always "these are things that the Father Hates". He hates the sin but not the sinner. 
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
ChristineES said:If you'll notice, it always "these are things that the Father Hates". He hates the sin but not the sinner.
I'd have to ditto that...and quite frankly, as I've stated before...I don't think that God cares much about the clothes that you wear...your outward appearance means little in the grand scheme of things...it's all about what's on your heart.
zombieharlot
Some Kind of Strange
ChristineES said:
Always? Does Deuteronomy 22:5 say "these are things that the Father hates"? The answer is no. It says, "the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." Anyone is the key word.
zombieharlot
Some Kind of Strange
Halcyon said:
You make a valid point.
zombieharlot said:
I cannot imagine that God hates anyone; would you hate a child of yours who was sexually confused ?
As usual, the greatest part of 'Angry God' comes from the old testament; personally, I would rather believe what Jesus Christ taught when on Earth...........Can you imagine him hating?....I think the criteria for deciding what God would think about any of these things is to see him as the father, and the person as a child...........
I think the answer's obvious.
zombieharlot
Some Kind of Strange
michel said:
First of all, it has nothing to do with sexuality. I am a heterosexual, as I have mentioned more than once in a couple of other threads. Rather, it is a gender issue. Gender identity develops during the age of four through the age of seven. Sexual identity occurs around puberty. Just thought I would make that clear. And second of all, I don't think I'm "confused" about it. I view myself as a male and I function as a male - I simply just wear women's clothing. I have a question for you. Would you consider it an act of love to kick your son (or daughter) out of the house for cross-dressing?
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Hebrews 13:8 Now aren't Jesus and God the same thing? If Jesus is the same always, wouldn't that mean God is too? And doesn't God also say, "I am what I am"? I would assume that that would mean that if God was a vengeful god back in the OT, wouldn't that mean that he is the same vengeful god in the NT and today? So I don't understand how people can make comments about how "'Angry God' comes from the old testament," when he supposedly is the same always.
zombieharlot said:
The original word for "detests" is tow`ebah [to-ay-baw'], which means "abomenable, disgusting". God expects you not to do that, friend, that's all. The act of disobedience per se is abominable...
By the way, using of the NIV translation can mislead you even further... Better to use KJV or NKJV.
I don't want to touch the issue of of Mosaic law being applicable nowadays, which I'm sure is not the case...
Any other "complex" questions?
zombieharlot
Some Kind of Strange
Mykola said:The original word for "detests" is tow`ebah [to-ay-baw'], which means "abomenable, disgusting". God expects you not to do that, friend, that's all. The act of disobedience per se is abominable...
By the way, using of the NIV translation can mislead you even further... Better to use KJV or NKJV.
I don't want to touch the issue of of Mosaic law being applicable nowadays, which I'm sure is not the case...
Any other "complex" questions?
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV
Happy? Now according to my trusty little dictionary, the word "abomination" means, "strongly negative feelings," while the word "detest" means, "to harbor strongly negative feelings." Hmm...different words, same meaning.
zombieharlot
Some Kind of Strange
Mike182 said:
well, tell ya what, if God does hate you, i'll jump up and down to get his attention, im sure he's gonna hate me more than you
Playing the martyr won't do you any good. He could just smite us all with one swipe if He really wanted to. Besides, if you go down in flames, I'm going down in flames with you!
zombieharlot
Some Kind of Strange
Opethian said:Funny how the people that voted yes are all atheists
Guess we have a special kind of humor
Oh, I know! I think just about every frubal I got from this thread was from an atheist.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If I had anykids, and I kicked them out for cross-dressing, being gay, transexual, or any other thing that deals with any sexual issues, things they cannot control, I would be a very big hypocryte. I don't see how kicking them out could be an act of love.
I also doubt any god is capable of hate. Humans make mistakes and do really stupid things (please don't take that the wrong way. I mean this as a generalization, such as hate groups, excessive drinking, murder, thieft, hate, holding ideas of bigotry, etc. Wearing a particular type of clothing is far from being serious enough to be considered dumb). The gods get over our dumbness and mistakes. Hate is just another part of human dumbness.
I would just like to pose a question to anyone who would care to answer.
There have always been people who are uncomfortable with and even afraid of anything or anyone who are different. In every society there has been a segment that is very interested in maintaining the status quo, maintaining traditional roles and putting down anything that could challenge that.
Most people will acknowledge that the bible is written by men, perhaps inspired by God, but still written by men.
So my question is this. Is it not possible, and even reasonable, to believe that the hate and negative emotions we feel coming from this verse (and verses like it) came not from God, but rather from the men who wrote it? Which is easier to believe, that the men who wrote this had a problem with cross-dressing and the like, or that an all-powerful divine God took the time to express his feelings on fashion?
There have always been people who are uncomfortable with and even afraid of anything or anyone who are different. In every society there has been a segment that is very interested in maintaining the status quo, maintaining traditional roles and putting down anything that could challenge that.
Most people will acknowledge that the bible is written by men, perhaps inspired by God, but still written by men.
So my question is this. Is it not possible, and even reasonable, to believe that the hate and negative emotions we feel coming from this verse (and verses like it) came not from God, but rather from the men who wrote it? Which is easier to believe, that the men who wrote this had a problem with cross-dressing and the like, or that an all-powerful divine God took the time to express his feelings on fashion?