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Does God exist....

Spockrates

Spockrates

Wonderer.
Carlita said:
From a non spiritual perspective, internalized words that are signals from the mind in some people to hear if they are in dange, comfort over the loss of a loved one, fear of dying, and such. For me, it was someone, if you like, shouting NO so loud in my ear that I could not attribute them to intentional thinking. I will guess people who believe in God will attribute that No from Him as a warning sign. Some will do so their ancestors and family members. Some find it purely psychological. Others dont label it and let it be by listening to that voice without discriminating where in should come from and if th origin is more important than safety or comfort.
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Carlita:

There have been times when I've thought I've heard words spoken when no one was there. But these times have been when I was nearly asleep. From what I've read, such auditory hallucinations are common with those who are of a sound mind.

This was different from my experience of words spoken but not heard with my ears. Is it also different from your own experience, or were you nearly asleep when you heard the word?
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Spockrates said:
And the words conveyed, are they words of the bible or extra biblical?
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Well, they weren't quoting verses at me.
Carlita said:
Come on. Youre not going to give them a benefit of a doubt?
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Nope. Atheism is nonsensical in my experience. When I was going through a bad/confused time spiritually, I tried to be an atheist and ditch concepts of deity, but it was completely unworkable for me.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
No. It would be sometimes before I cross the street of heavy traffic. /edit/ It happens sometimes when Im reading. The pattern is always associated with warnings mild to grand. I never had that same thing of comfort. I think that is how many people feel God loves them.

Many people who have auditory hullusions may say it comes from outside their mind. Im not sure psychology can fully address the spiritual connection between a bodys flight/fright system or need for comfort or a savior from themselves. My friend told me one time she felt she heard Jesus voice talking to her.

From psychological and critical analyse only, Id say what one believes is how they attribute senses they are unsure the origin. Me, it could have been completely psyhological. Since I believe in spirits, I dont believe that is always the case.

Spockrates said:
Carlita:

There have been times when I've thought I've heard words spoken when no one was there. But these times have been when I was nearly asleep. From what I've read, such auditory hallucinations are common with those who are of a sound mind.

This was different from my experience of words spoken but not heard with my ears. Is it also different from your own experience, or were you nearly asleep when you heard the word?
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U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
My personal opinion, that doesnt sound like atheism more fustratiom with God. Its a natural part of spiritual growth. Atheists, on the other hand, are simple those who dont believe in dieties. It isnt something you can turn off if you believe in God. You can doubt, be agnostic, reject, or be happy with another correct path.

I find atheist come in a few categories.

1. Those who never believed in dieties. It doesnt make sense. No anology, struggle (unless challenged in a religous environment and people), just plain disbelief in heart and mind.

2. Or those who have a revelation that dieties dont exist. A lot of people here probably raised in a religious home or town. They "finally get it" when they segregate themselves from conditioning. It isnt rejection, they may love their native faith tenderly. Not confusion. The veil lifted to the truth.

Of course people will fall in between. I say these people are growing in their faith. Atheist can all of the sudden believe in a god if that god gives him or her a revelation. I dont see how a believer can just not believe once he already knows a deity exists.

Saint Frankenstein said:
It wasn't so much "trying", it was a moment of giving up on the importance of deity concepts.
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Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Carlita said:
My personal opinion, that doesnt sound like atheism more fustratiom with God. Its a natural part of spiritual growth. Atheists, on the other hand, are simple those who dont believe in dieties. It isnt something you can turn off if you believe in God. You can doubt, be agnostic, reject, or be happy with another correct path.

I find atheist come in a few cat
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Yeah, probably.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Saint Frankenstein said:
It's hard to explain, but it was like hearing something on a speaker, but in my head. It also was not my voice. This is more something you just know.
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These voices are more common than you think, often it's to do with a small part of ourselves that is reacting against the dominance of the larger part.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Carlita said:
Many people who have auditory hullusions may say it comes from outside their mind. Im not sure psychology can fully address the spiritual connection between a bodys flight/fright system or need for comfort or a savior from themselves. My friend told me one time she felt she heard Jesus voice talking to her.
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I think people make assumptions based on their existing belief system, so it's all extremely subjective.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Spockrates said:
This was different. Unlike anything I experienced before or after. The thought was not my own. I think those who are insane might have such experiences, but from what I've heard, they occur more than once.
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But as I said you don't have to be insane to hear distinct voices, it's quite common. We are complex creatures with different aspects to our personality, some of which may well be in conflict.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Spiny Norman said:
These voices are more common than you think, often it's to do with a small part of ourselves that is reacting against the dominance of the larger part.
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I have right temporal lobe epilepsy, and its interesting to note many, wont say all, who have seizures in that part of the bring may here sounds that are not there. Especially doing a seizure. So, I wouldnt find it uncommon to hear voices and realize some not all experience are strictly neurological in healthy and people aith seizures.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Carlita said:
Also, it is interesting to see that if the mind is challenged, it goes into defense mode. We do this in our respective faith.

The heart is not offensive or defesive. Our true nature lives outside of preferences the mind takes up religions included.

So does God exist in the mind? Not as a figmant of ones imagination but a coping technique explained above which, in themselves, are not dangerous or illogical?
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I've been 'busy'.....got here late.....sorry.

I see a lot of give and take on that defensive/offensive part.
I see it here in debate.....I see it in the news.....news of politics/religion....
News about radical believers and innocent bystanders....
News about people caught between want they want....and what they need.

I have no religion.
I believe in God.

A conjured notion created by me?.............I think not.
 
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