does god exist

[darkendless]

UnityNow101
if you want to denie the existence of Allah then that is your choice allthough i would like it very much if you believed in Him and His existence. i do know that pain has nothing to do with Allah but know this pain is something that we can feel, we can't describe it and we don't know what it looks like. and the same for Allah. as a muslim what i know of Allah is what He has tolld us. he looks like nothing and nothing can ever look like Him for then he cannot be a god. as human beings we can feel the presence of Allah but we cannot describe the form because we cannot see Him because he has not made himself vissible to us. if you do not beleive in Allah then i will ask you this what created all of this. everything that existst, exists because of what and why. and i would appreciate if you didn't mention the words " scientifically or fysically " i want oyur opinion

Pain can be explained scientifically, God cannot. I know where you're comming from, i just think you've chosen a poor example.

How about Dejavu, no one can honestly explain how things happen other than coincidence. When it happens you get a nasty suprise and think wow, i knew that would happen. But how does one explain it? You cant, its a phenomenon, much like God/ Allah.

I am with Unitynow101, why should i give up my lifestyle for Allah when the benefits are questionable.Sure if there was concrete evidence then yes, but theres not. Something makes you "want" to believe in God. The same think that makes the rest not want to believe in God.

 

[autonomous1one1]

....Sure if there was concrete evidence then yes, but theres not. .....

Greetings Darkendless. May it respectively be submitted that there is concrete evidence mentioned in this thread that is still on the table - it has not been answered. This evidence is the example of beings that have awakened and the consistency of their stated perspectives offering non-dualism and oneness with God. (See posts #263, #138, #97 and #160.)

Regards,
a..1

 

[Rolling_Stone]

Pain can be explained scientifically,

Pain is known only subjectively, never objectively. Science can see what transpires in the event of pain, but can't physically prove its experiential reality or explain why it hurts.

The situation goes to what a...1 was saying, the only difference being that no one disputes the reality of pain because of its universality.

 

[Autodidact]

Speaking for myself, if you don't believe in anything, then obviously you don't EXIST. BYE!

Who said I don't believe in anything? What I said is, you're not being clear. This may be related to your lack of concern about definitions. Please don't make assumptions about other people; it's rude.

For all you people out there who KNOW you exist, do you think I made my point? Maybe it's just hard to explain something to something that does not exist. I don't know.

1. I exist. 2. I don't understand your point. I'm sure it's hard to explain, but the first step is to think it through clearly and thoroughly, starting with your definitions. That will help you communicate it to the rest of us, whatever it is.

 

[Autodidact]

dear melanieeeee if you really want to know wether god exists here is something for you

i am a muslim so i'll say Allah instead of god

i can prove to you that god exists and if you denie that, then thats your choice i'm just fulfilling my duties to islam which is to tell people the truth about everything.
i will tell you this, when you read this text up to this point i want you to do something?
i want you to hit your self on the leg as hard as you can then answer these questions for me:

1) do you believe that pain exist
2) can you see it
3) if it does exist what form (shape) does it have

if your answers are as follows
1) yes
2) no
3) i can't describe it

then my dear friend how can pain exist if you cannot see it or if you can't describe what i looks like.

p.s there are other forums with the same question so ive just copied my answer from one to the other

Well that's dumb. We have several senses besides sight, so seeing is not necessary to establish existence. But if you can't see it, or hear it, or smell it, or sense it, or touch it, by very definition, then in what sense can it be said to exist? To use your example, if you didn't feel pain, then would you say that your pain existed?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Rubbish - unless, of course, you equate panentheism with animism. Why do you make such vapid claims, apparently without even giving them much thought?

My thoughts are no more rubbish than yours. Religion and theory is all a matter of how we perceive it. To each their own. To continually fight a battle that can never be one, to me is pointless. That is why I am done with this thread. Thanks to all of you who had the openness of mind to at least try to understand my beliefs. Thank you all for sharing your own gift of Truth. In the end I can't really say that I have a religion at all, it is only my version of Understanding. As wrong is it may be. But it is only human to be wrong. It is ignorance to believe that you are right.

 

[autonomous1one1]

My thoughts are no more rubbish than yours. Religion and theory is all a matter of how we perceive it. To each their own. To continually fight a battle that can never be one, to me is pointless. That is why I am done with this thread. Thanks to all of you who had the openness of mind to at least try to understand my beliefs. Thank you all for sharing your own gift of Truth. In the end I can't really say that I have a religion at all, it is only my version of Understanding. As wrong is it may be. But it is only human to be wrong. It is ignorance to believe that you are right.

Greetings Runewolf. Your thoughts are very much appreciated, and enjoyed, and use of the concept 'energy' can be beneficial for some people surely. From my perspective of science and God there would seem to be something in addition to just pure energy that would be necessary to emanate all. Believe PureX posted sometime ago about energy as being fundamental and went on to mention a kind of 'directed' energy. Directed energy would be the basis of all there is as well as responsible for the power of existing and participation through all. In the sense of 'directed' it could be thought of as transcending all and one might say it favors a labeling of 'panentheism' as you noted in one of your posts although my preference would be not to be the one so labeling.

Personally, my choice of terms to point to ultimate reality as posted elsewhere is God as Being-itself, the Ground of Being, and the Power of Being - all referring to the same. The Ground of Being is the basis for all there is in existence including the 'categories' as we know them of space, time, substance, causality, etc. It is the foundation of all, participates throughout all, and transcends existence. This terminology came to me from the writings of the late Dr. Paul Tillich. A key to Enlightenment is that being realizes identity with the source of all being.

Best Wishes,
a..1

 

[Laremst]

You can't prove is disprove it, so it will stay as a theory until it is proven or disproven.

 

[autonomous1one1]

You can't prove is disprove it, so it will stay as a theory until it is proven or disproven.

Greetings Laremst. So true, that is why 'awakened' beings is being offered for evidence and one's own awakening offered for your own proof. See posts #97 and #263.

Regards,
a..1

 

[darkendless]

Greetings Darkendless. May it respectively be submitted that there is concrete evidence mentioned in this thread that is still on the table - it has not been answered. This evidence is the example of beings that have awakened and the consistency of their stated perspectives offering non-dualism and oneness with God. (See posts #263, #138, #97 and #160.)

Regards,
a..1

Im sorry but if you could provide concrete evidence atheism would have died by now, however you cant. What you think evidence is will be different to what i think evidence is.

 

[darkendless]

Pain is known only subjectively, never objectively. Science can see what transpires in the event of pain, but can't physically prove its experiential reality or explain why it hurts.

The situation goes to what a...1 was saying, the only difference being that no one disputes the reality of pain because of its universality.

Im pretty sure if you asked a biologist he could give you a pretty damn good answer. I know pretty much nothing, but im sure he/she could involve words and things to explain themselves. Physical pain can probably be explained, mental pain/anguish, probably not.

We can also see why pain affects us, where as there is 0% evidence in any situation of God. If i say i feel pain and someone says im lying, i can punch them in the knee and they will also see it. Evidence of pain.
If i say omg looks its God, how am i meant to justify God when theres nothing to justify him with but a 2000 year old book that for all we know was written by Joe Bloggs.

 

[Gharib]

dear Autodidact
if you have understood what i have written then this is what you would know
im not saying that pain doesn't exist even though we canot see it or describe it we know it exists because we can feel it. just as Allah exists we cannot see Him because He hasn't made himself visible to us but we can feel Him through his power and through His ruling of the earth and the skye for He is the the greates Ruler. you can see how he makes the day into night and the night into day you can see that everything in this world has been created only to serve us. why are we the only creatures in this world who have the power of thought and none of the other animals. why do we humans have free will and nothing else does who gave us that free will. there are many other things that we cannot see but we do know that they exist because we can feel them. i personally have never seen Allah but if you want proof of his existence then i can give you examples that lead to him.

 

[Gharib]

Pain can be explained scientifically, God cannot. I know where you're comming from, i just think you've chosen a poor example.

How about Dejavu, no one can honestly explain how things happen other than coincidence. When it happens you get a nasty suprise and think wow, i knew that would happen. But how does one explain it? You cant, its a phenomenon, much like God/ Allah.

I am with Unitynow101, why should i give up my lifestyle for Allah when the benefits are questionable.Sure if there was concrete evidence then yes, but theres not. Something makes you "want" to believe in God. The same think that makes the rest not want to believe in God.

you have said that the existence of god cannot be proven scientifically well then here it is practically. you have also said that everything happens because of coincidence right. do you think that it is a coincidence that humans are the only cretures with free will out of all the many milions of creatures in this world
everyday you see many things infront of you, you see other people and you see many other creatures right. i want you to prove to me why is everything in order.
1) why are humans ruling this world
2) why are we on the fourth planet on our solar system
3) if you beleive in coincidence or chance then how did all this become to be (the universe and everything else)
4) why does the sun go from east to west and not the other way around or go from north to south
explain to me who put everything in order if it wasn't Allah did nature do it and if nature did then tell me who created nature

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

2) why are we on the fourth planet on our solar system

Because some of us can't count?

 

[Sententia]

Because some of us can't count?

Jay seriously... I think your creul and possibly evil... but that was funny... :yes:

 

[Gharib]

to Jayhawker Soule
thats very funny truly. i may have made a mistake but no worries heres the question again
why are we on the third planet on our solar system
and if if you or anyone else wants to answer those question go ahead.

 

[Storm]

Eselam, your "proof" of God is just as lame as Nade's "disproof."

 

[Gharib]

Eselam, your "proof" of God is just as lame as Nade's "disproof."

if my "proof" of Allahs existence is as lame as you say then please why don't you tell me your "proof" of His non existence and why he does not exist

 

[Storm]

I never said he didn't. Neither side has anything remotely resembling proof.

 

[Gharib]

Storm
ok, how can the fact that Allah exists be so hard for you to accept.
you tell me what facts would please your heart in beleiving that Allah exists and Inshallah i can answer them for you
regards eselam