TagliatelliMonster
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God created time
"created" = a temporal series of events.
This is like saying that santa lives north of absolute north.
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God created time
North is a material designation, God is spirit."created" = a temporal series of events.
This is like saying that santa lives north of absolute north.
That's incorrect. Dearth Vader exists as a character in a popular story. Physical matter does not determine existence. Ideas about existence also exist.You are agreeing with me using different words.
Darth Vader exists outside of existence.
ie, he exists as a character in a book and not as an actual thing in actual reality.
Which isn't relevant to what I said.North is a material designation, God is spirit.
If you want to say that god exists in the same way that Darth Vader or ideas exist, then I agree.That's incorrect. Dearth Vader exists as a character in a popular story. Physical matter does not determine existence. Ideas about existence also exist.
The material universe we live in including time was created.Which isn't relevant to what I said.
I was talking about the word "created".
I would say that, yes, but with the rather astonishing caviat that the God character and story has emerged in every culture and time that humans have been on Earth. Dearth Vader cleary did not. So if you're trying to imply a equivalent signifigance between them I would disagree with that.If you want to say that god exists in the same way that Darth Vader or ideas exist, then I agree.
Does God require a creator?.
If God does not require a creator, then does that logically imply that the universe does not either?
Something can come out of nothing.
If one assumes that something can't come out of nothing, and this is a reasoning for their belief in God, then don't they have to question where God came from?
It is not time as we measure it relative to space.What is "philosophical time"? And how do you distinguish it from imaginary time?
You said "Why couldn't the universe 'just be'?"Time begins when the universe begins. The universe = the space-time continuum.
The original context was existing outside of existence. Can you wrap your head around that? I can't.
The laws of physics are descriptive.
The laws of a country are prescriptive.
They are not the same. Legal laws and physical laws are nothing alike.
It's a false equivocation
Yeah. And an undetectable dragon lives in my garage. This dragon isn't limited by the laws of physics. It's all super easy to me.
It's not about proving it is true. It's simply about understanding the conctept.
Again, that's easy. The undetectable dragon lives in my garage and regularly plays poker with extra-dimensional undetectable pixies.
Do we require a creator or are we just a random fart in the space?Does God require a creator?.
If God does not require a creator, then does that logically imply that the universe does not either? Something can come out of nothing.
If one assumes that something can't come out of nothing, and this is a reasoning for their belief in God, then don't they have to question where God came from?
"God exists outside of time"
Time is relative... right? In the original Planet of the Apes (spoiler alert) them astronauts time traveled due to their speed and time's relativity, right? So, if time isn't concrete and static throughout the universe, I guess it's reasonable to assume a deity could be outside of time.
"God exists outside of existence." maybe?
I dunno
What space?..are we just a random fart in the space?
That's incorrect. Dearth Vader exists as a character in a popular story. Physical matter does not determine existence. Ideas about existence also exist.
Yes, it's detectable but some people have doubted the senses.What space?
Such a question reminds me of someone asking whether "it is all real"..
..and somebody prods them with a pitchfork, and they decide that it is.
I mean with material atoms and parts that consists of atoms.To me, "material" implies "exists in reality" and "not material" implies "does not exist in reality."
When you talk about "not material" things causing things in the real world, this suggests to me that we're using the words in different ways.
What do you mean by "material"?
I mean with material atoms and parts that consists of atoms.
Wow. That's quite a small part of the physical universe and would mean that nothing material at all existed for the first 380,000 years after the big bang.I mean with material atoms and parts that consists of atoms.
There are a wide variety of innovations, that came into existence, not directly by the law of physics. The computer, for example, started in the imagination of humans long before it existed in realty. It was through imagination and human interaction with modified reality, that it eventually appeared within reality.Does God require a creator?.
If God does not require a creator, then does that logically imply that the universe does not either? Something can come out of nothing.
If one assumes that something can't come out of nothing, and this is a reasoning for their belief in God, then don't they have to question where God came from?
"God exists outside of time"
Time is relative... right? In the original Planet of the Apes (spoiler alert) them astronauts time traveled due to their speed and time's relativity, right? So, if time isn't concrete and static throughout the universe, I guess it's reasonable to assume a deity could be outside of time.
"God exists outside of existence." maybe?
I dunno