Does Islam Need a Reformation?

[Aquitaine]

Non-Muslims need a fundementally reformation to get away from their prejudices and sided World views they should stop behave hostile against Islam, because we will always be here, many non-Muslims will come and pass from the face of the earth but we will always be here

Non-muslims will get away from their prejudices and sided views regarding Islam, but only as soon as certain members of your religion reform themselves up to 21st century standards.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

But to steer the topic back, the murderous rage of Islamists when it comes to LGBT people is another clear indicator that the religion needs an enlightenment.

Indeed. There is nothing more distasteful than religious homophobia, and it seems that the Abrahamic religions are the main offenders in this respect.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Yes, I won't be able to respond to what I didn't read. It's probably something I responded to so many times before but you kept repeating it for some reason. I offered that I can take your posts in Arabic before (if the admins allow it) and suggested you seek help in English before posting but you ignored me.

And, I don't have a Muslim, I am a Muslim!

My words are clear but you can not respond to them
This is your problem you
2. I do not need you -
3. Are you able to fix the Word of God ??
Which is better, the Word of God , or your mind ??
I understand very well my words
Muslim to say and believe that the Koran is the word of God
That's why I say he can not fix Islam
The only way is to leave Islam
The rejection of Islam
This is the best way to reform Islam

 

[Smart_Guy]

I don't think so SG. I know plenty of Muslims who do not believe apostates and gays should be executed. My primary objection to Islamists is not their demeanor, but the content of their beliefs.
Will they outgrow these beliefs? I have no idea. I hope everyone outgrows them, for the sake of humanity, but I am not holding my breath.

Part of what I learned in my journey is to not look at the contents of beliefs of the other side. All I have to do is follow and respect their rules if I want to be with them. Let's say for example that Christians typically think of Muslims as infidels condemned to hell. I'm not bothered with that any more, it is just a belief. I won't lie and say I want Muslims to neglect their controversial beliefs, but I can tell with authority that I want them to revise how they apply it.

I wish I could say more about it, but you know, it is not safe for me to.

WE love ya brother, but you still will refuse credible education and academia concerning history if it goes against what your book teaches.
Living where you do, not sure you have the freedom to change your views to much, without fear of persecution from religious police.
Nothing against you as this is what was taught to you your whole life. I Don't want to change it. But if a friend cannot be truthful, what can he be?

Hey, I appreciate that

Well, as long as I'm not hurting or disrespecting anyone, I guess it is okay. Don't you think?

I also appreciate your honesty and I don't mind it

My words are clear but you can not respond to them
This is your problem you
2. I do not need you -
3. Are you able to fix the Word of God ??
Which is better, the Word of God , or your mind ??
I understand very well my words
Muslim to say and believe that the Koran is the word of God
That's why I say he can not fix Islam
The only way is to leave Islam
The rejection of Islam
This is the best way to reform Islam

I love you too man

 

[JoStories]

Thank you, this means a lot to me

Please believe me, I'm trying to educate Muslims to be like the me you described. I hope one day a generation of Muslims would come out to understand non Muslims and how they feel.



As I mentioned above

I agree with both of them Smart Guy. I have known and do know many Muslims like you and it is not only refreshing, it gives me a great deal of hope for this world.

 

[JoStories]

Then feel free to come ME and enlighten people, start from Iraq then move to Iran and Saudi ........... finally come to Turkiye, if you can

I am incredibly well traveled Madame. Africa, Europe, all the states of this country, to include the USVI and more. The one place I have yet to visit is the countries of Asia and Australia. Assuming you meant Turkey, I have been there. Amazing churches. And more I might add. Let's not forget Russia as my son is a diplomat to this country. And my grandchildren are being raised there. Your emoticon is extremely unwarranted and unnecessary. However, I have come to expect this kind of forum behavior from you.

 

[Tumah]

Voted "Yes". The longer I spend on RF, the clearer it is that Islam is not (at present) compatible with Liberal-Secular system.

I don't believe that's a correct standard to hold anyone to.
For one thing, it implies that a Liberal-Secular system is inherently, objectively, superior to every other weltanschauung. For another, it suggests that the Liberal-Secular system does not need to be compatible with other views as well.

The goal of peaceful co-existence is not going to come from everyone becoming like you. Its going to come from everyone accepting everyone else.

 

[leibowde84]

What I got from your post is you are an elderly person, you have a son and grandchildren, you have travelled all your life, but you didnt get any life lessons, still you dont even know how to speak with people, a life spent in vain.

Have you actually participated in any debates on this site, or do you just make snarky, personal comments about those that disagree with you? He has been extremely civil in his posts, and many of us have asked for explanations that you continually refuse to give.

For example, you claim that homosexuality is "not normal." I would agree, as it only is known to be about 10% of the population, but you have not provided any reasoning for why you think that something that is not "normal" is somehow "wrong." That is a giant leap. Normal usually indicates boring or satisfactory ... the status quo. In other words, "normal" seems to be more accurately described as "bad."

 

[Smart_Guy]

I agree with both of them Smart Guy. I have known and do know many Muslims like you and it is not only refreshing, it gives me a great deal of hope for this world.

When men compliment me, it feels good, but when women do, it feels really really good

You're too kind ma'am. Thank you

 

[JoStories]

Have you actually participated in any debates on this site, or do you just make snarky, personal comments about those that disagree with you? He has been extremely civil in his posts, and many of us have asked for explanations that you continually refuse to give.

For example, you claim that homosexuality is "not normal." I would agree, as it only is known to be about 10% of the population, but you have not provided any reasoning for why you think that something that is not "normal" is somehow "wrong." That is a giant leap. Normal usually indicates boring or satisfactory ... the status quo. In other words, "normal" seems to be more accurately described as "bad."

Leibowde...I love you dearly but I am not a he dear. I am a she.

 

[leibowde84]

Leibowde...I love you dearly but I am not a he dear. I am a she.

I am so sorry. Forgiveness please.

 

[JoStories]

What I got from your post is you are an elderly person, you have a son and grandchildren, you have travelled all your life, but you didnt get any life lessons, still you dont even know how to speak with people, a life spent in vain.

Yes, I am older but not quite yet elderly. I also have a daughter in addition to my son. I have traveled my entire life so you got that correct, but I did learn a great deal and you no way of proving otherwise. I speak, for the most time, politely and respectfully. You, OTOH, have done nothing but post rude remarks and you seem to never directly answer any questions someone asks you. And trust me, my life has not been in vain. Can you prove that it was? No, you cannot. but please, do carry on with your rude and silly posts that demean people and deflect any questions one might ask of you.

 

[JoStories]

I am so sorry. Forgiveness please.

LOL...nothing to forgive. Its a 50 50 thing. One never knows on a medium such as this. Can I assume you are male sir?

 

[leibowde84]

Yes, I am older but not quite yet elderly. I also have a daughter in addition to my son. I have traveled my entire life so you got that correct, but I did learn a great deal and you no way of proving otherwise. I speak, for the most time, politely and respectfully. You, OTOH, have done nothing but post rude remarks and you seem to never directly answer any questions someone asks you. And trust me, my life has not been in vain. Can you prove that it was? No, you cannot. but please, do carry on with your rude and silly posts that demean people and deflect any questions one might ask of you.

Sing it Sister!! I'm not sure whether we will ever get NoX to contribute respectfully to a debate here, but we can't give up hope. We might need Smart_Guy's help though. He's an all-star.

 

[leibowde84]

LOL...nothing to forgive. Its a 50 50 thing. One never knows on a medium such as this. Can I assume you are male sir?

You can. Contrary to popular belief, though, I am not Winston Churchill or Brittish for that matter. I'm a born and bred Marylander.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I am so sorry. Forgiveness please.

LOL...nothing to forgive. Its a 50 50 thing. One never knows on a medium such as this. Can I assume you are male sir?

I'll let you in to a little secret guys ("guys" as a neutral gender ); if the gender is specified, you can find that out by left-clicking on the avatar. If there is no avatar, the gender will be shown in its place

 

[leibowde84]

I'll let you in to a little secret guys ("guys" as a neutral gender ); if the gender is specified, you can find that out by left-clicking on the avatar. If there is no avatar, the gender will be shown in its place

Well, how about that. Learn something new every day. Thanks Smart_Guy.

 

[leibowde84]

You need to find some hobbies for yourself instead of wasting your time on the internet.

I would suggest working on being more respectful in how you speak, as you clearly are intentionally being rude, when JoStories has been civil in all of her posts. You are in no place to judge JoStories, as you know nothing about what she does in her free time. I'm sure she does have hobbies, but that is none of your business, which is why it is so weird that you mentioned that. I mean, if you are going to insult someone, put some effort into it so it at least makes sense. When you say random things like this that don't make any sense, it makes you look ignorant.

 

[Smart_Guy]

We might need Smart_Guy's help though.

I'll PM her about it

 

[JoStories]

Sing it Sister!! I'm not sure whether we will ever get NoX to contribute respectfully to a debate here, but we can't give up hope. We might need Smart_Guy's help though. He's an all-star.

ROFL ....thank you dear. That just made my whole day. And yes, I do think we need Smart Guy here. He is rational, reasonable and very sweet.