Does It Disturb You That the US President Is a Compulsive, Blatant, Unrepentant Liar?

[LuisDantas]

I wonder how many support him because of that, vs how many simply find that trait a breath of fresh air.
Any idea?

Uh, how much of a difference there is? How much is it supposed to be?

I don't think that excuses his voters any, truth be told.

 

[Revoltingest]

Fair enough, I guess. I can't claim to understand your choice, and I suppose I should assume you campaigned for a better GOP candidate to some extent.

I'm not a Republican, so I wasn't part of their primary process.
Similarly, I don't hold you responsible for Democrats selecting Hillary over Bernie.

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm not a Republican, so I wasn't part of their primary process.
Similarly, I don't hold you responsible for Democrats selecting Hillary over Bernie.

I wish I could say I do not blame you for preferring Trump over Hillary.

But I can not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Uh, how much of a difference there is? How much is it supposed to be?

To support a politician & his policies is different from liking traits in one.
I liked Jimmy Carter's wide eyed innocence, but I opposed much of what he stood for.

I don't think that excuses his voters any, truth be told.

We don't need to be excused....any more than you need to be excused for supporting Hillary.
Everyone has reasons for picking one side or the other.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wish I could say I do not blame you for preferring Trump over Hillary.
But I can not.

Then I'll blame you for wanting to unleash Hillary & her penchant for starting & continuing wars.
Fair is fair, eh.

 

[LuisDantas]

To support a politician & his policies is different from liking traits in one.
I liked Jimmy Carter's wide eyed innocence, but I opposed much of what he stood for.

I neither understand that nor do I see how that could possibly translate into appreciation for Trump in any form, sorry.

We don't need to be excused....any more than you need to be excused for supporting Hillary.
Everyone has reasons for picking one side or the other.

Sorry, I just will not agree.

 

[LuisDantas]

Then I'll blame you for wanting to unleash Hillary & her penchant for starting & continuing wars.
Fair is fair, eh.

By all means, please do. I mean it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I neither understand that nor do I see how that could possibly translate into appreciation for Trump in any form, sorry.

Perhaps it's because you don't actually know people who enjoy
Trump's abandoning the typical tortured manipulated speech habits.
I try to avoid hearing him speak.
And I don't read his tweetie things.
Btw, I don't understand people who say they found Hillary inspiring.

Sorry, I just will not agree.

Agreement isn't mandatory.

 

[Father Heathen]

I never said I like it or approve of lying. Just how collective society does nothing about it

Trying to put words in my mouth? ;0)

No, but that's how your post read to me.

 

[sun rise]

I wonder how many support him because of that, vs how many simply find that trait a breath of fresh air.
Any idea?

So if I took some of his tweets and put your name on them and posted them it would be a "breath of fresh air"? To me that's the "stench of fetid air".

 

[Father Heathen]

Right, so Trumps petty lies are nothing, It's those decievers the Lord despises. Those ones who say they ore on your side but are not trustworthy. I don't believe Trump has turned against us to serve only the rich like I do Hillary and Obama.

“Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.'" - Mark 7:6

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" - Luke 6:46

"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good." - Titus 1:16

 

[esmith]

That's not what you said the other day as you stated that you believe in everything that he's been proposing-- remember?

Sorry got CRS, you'll have to reminded me. However will not guarantee I will remember to remember

 

[Revoltingest]

So if I took some of his tweets and put your name on them and posted them it would be a "breath of fresh air"? To me that's the "stench of fetid air".

By changing the context so drastically, your thought experiment fails.

 

[DavidFirth]

That doesn't dissuade me from supporting my party of affiliation.

Well, I'm not affiliated with any political party.

 

[metis]

Well, I'm not affiliated with any political party.

I sorta am even though I have periodically voted Republican, and I can relate to this coming from Will Rogers: "I don't belong to any organized political party-- I'm a Democrat."

 

[metis]

Sorry got CRS, you'll have to reminded me. However will not guarantee I will remember to remember

I president of that club-- the last time I remembered.

 

[McBell]

One cannot rationally deny that Trump is a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar. The overt lies he has trumpeted since being in office are well documented. By defining “lie” conservatively, as a demonstrably false statement, the authors of a New York Times article found that Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days in office. “But based on a broader standard -- one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) -- Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency." The article goes on to show that Trump's days without a lie are generally only those when he isn't Tweeting or is on vacation.

A Washington Post article shows that Trump made 29 false or misleading statements during a 26-hour period on July 24th and July 25th.

Timothy O'Brien notes that a decade ago, during Trump's deposition in his defamation suit stemming from O'Brien's biography TrumpNation, lawyers compelled Trump to admit to 30 lies he had told over the years relating to his businesses and wealth. Indeed, the suit focused largely on the 3 anonymous sources O'Brien used to estimate Trump's net worth, a figure that Trump was unwilling to pin down or be consistent about. According to O'Brien, these sources were “people with direct knowledge of Donald's finances, people who had worked closely with him for years.” O'Brien interviewed and re-interviewed them, and provided his notes to the court, which stated, “The notes are significant, in that they provide remarkably similar estimates of Trump's net worth, thereby suggesting the accuracy of the information conveyed.” At the time, while Trump was hinting to interviewers “that his wealth is somewhere between $2 billion and $6 billion,” O'Brien's sources calculated it be between $250-350 million. Trump lost the case. Trump v. O'Brien.

So, are you disturbed or pleased by, or indifferent to, the fact that the US President is an incessant, blatant and unrepentant liar?

Is it possible that such disregard for the truth will become a new normal?

What does one say to one's children or grandchildren about it? Would you express approval if your children or grandchildren had such diffident relationship with the truth as Trump demonstrates?

How do or should our allies deal withTrump's lying? Can or should they trust the US to do or not do what the President promises to do or not do?

Objection.
Defining lie as simply being wrong makes everyone a, how do you put it "compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar",

Thus the rest of your post is a rambling.

 

[leibowde84]

One cannot rationally deny that Trump is a compulsive, blatant and unrepentant liar. The overt lies he has trumpeted since being in office are well documented. By defining “lie” conservatively, as a demonstrably false statement, the authors of a New York Times article found that Trump told a public lie on at least 20 of his first 40 days in office. “But based on a broader standard -- one that includes his many misleading statements (like exaggerating military spending in the Middle East) -- Trump achieved something remarkable: He said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency." The article goes on to show that Trump's days without a lie are generally only those when he isn't Tweeting or is on vacation.

A Washington Post article shows that Trump made 29 false or misleading statements during a 26-hour period on July 24th and July 25th.

Timothy O'Brien notes that a decade ago, during Trump's deposition in his defamation suit stemming from O'Brien's biography TrumpNation, lawyers compelled Trump to admit to 30 lies he had told over the years relating to his businesses and wealth. Indeed, the suit focused largely on the 3 anonymous sources O'Brien used to estimate Trump's net worth, a figure that Trump was unwilling to pin down or be consistent about. According to O'Brien, these sources were “people with direct knowledge of Donald's finances, people who had worked closely with him for years.” O'Brien interviewed and re-interviewed them, and provided his notes to the court, which stated, “The notes are significant, in that they provide remarkably similar estimates of Trump's net worth, thereby suggesting the accuracy of the information conveyed.” At the time, while Trump was hinting to interviewers “that his wealth is somewhere between $2 billion and $6 billion,” O'Brien's sources calculated it be between $250-350 million. Trump lost the case. Trump v. O'Brien.

So, are you disturbed or pleased by, or indifferent to, the fact that the US President is an incessant, blatant and unrepentant liar?

Is it possible that such disregard for the truth will become a new normal?

What does one say to one's children or grandchildren about it? Would you express approval if your children or grandchildren had such diffident relationship with the truth as Trump demonstrates?

How do or should our allies deal withTrump's lying? Can or should they trust the US to do or not do what the President promises to do or not do?

Yes. I think Trump is the most dishonest politician I have seen in my lifetime. And, that is saying a lot. It is extremely bothersome that he says blatently false things and his supporters use his tactics of childish insults (like "cry baby" or "boo-hoo") to defend his dishonesty. Sad!

 

[leibowde84]

It's more disturbing that he was the best candidate that the 2 biggest political parties could present.
I just hope we can go 4 years with no new wars.

He was not the best candidate. Not even close. He just won over a lot of ignorant voters who fell for his dishonesty. He did run a successful campaign, but that in no way means he was a better candidate..

 

[leibowde84]

Nope, it doesn't bother me a bit. I think he should lie more so that I couldn't care less more. I think he should chop down a cherry tree publicly, then lie about it, send the news stations in a tissy.

Trump is very obviously bothered by the media calling him out when he is dishonest.

Why doesn't it bother you that the President lies constantly and publicly. How can that not trouble you as an American?