Does one ceases to be human when one dies?

[Epic Beard Man]

Since you define yourself as "One that which the Creator made"....there are not many faiths outside the Abrahamic ones that believe in a Creator. Can I ask what faith you subscribe to?



Ancient Judaism taught no such thing. King Solomon is the one who wrote Ecclesiastes where he tells us about the condition of those in "sheol". And since the Greek equivalent to "sheol" is "hades" there has been a lot of twisting of the scriptures to incorporate Greek teachings of an immortal soul. Greek influence affected both Judaism and later Christianity.



In original Christianity there was no immortal soul, just as there was none in the original Jewish faith.

Christendom has followed the same path as her predecessor.....favoring man-made traditions over the word of God....and fashioning scripture to suit its new adopted beliefs.....it was foretold to happen this way.

I subscribe to no faith. I consider myself philosophically as an agnostic-theist. That is, I believe God exists but a lot of things about God are unknowable or uncertain. But, due to my immersion in the philosophies of Judaism, Christianity and Islam I tend to hold some truisms of the three. Although I ascribe (via through the idea) God as a "Creator," my reasons are more speculative based on the notions that I exist through a process of evolution because what proceeds from God are a series of causes (this is an old philosophical premise in relation to the unmoved mover). But in truth all thought about God in relation to Agnostic-Theism is all speculative because at its core, we truly don't know.

 

[Thief]

I subscribe to no faith. I consider myself philosophically as an agnostic-theist. That is, I believe God exists but a lot of things about God are unknowable or uncertain. But, due to my immersion in the philosophies of Judaism, Christianity and Islam I tend to hold some truisms of the three. Although I ascribe (via through the idea) God as a "Creator," my reasons are more speculative based on the notions that I exist through a process of evolution because what proceeds from God are a series of causes (this is an old philosophical premise in relation to the unmoved mover). But in truth all thought about God in relation to Agnostic-Theism is all speculative because at its core, we truly don't know.

so you do all that study work.....and you're not sure
of anything?
nothing that you know ....for sure?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

so you do all that study work.....and you're not sure
of anything?
nothing that you know ....for sure?

Talking about God....Not everything else. But of course I don't know everything otherwise I'd be God incarnate.

 

[Thief]

Talking about God....Not everything else. But of course I don't know everything otherwise I'd be God incarnate.

not wanting to digress.....but...
do you think it possible for God to....incarnate?

but more to topic....after you die....
I don't think you will meet a God embodied

God is Spirit

I think it will be more like Moses meeting God
but without the burning bush routine
the physical display was used to offset the possibility that Moses would think he was going mad
hearing a Voice and no physical evidence

in the next life we suffer that Voice....in our thoughts
and with the physical world no longer perceived
that situation will cause some .....dishevel...

you say.....you don't know
can't be sure

I say, you CAN be sure
God and heaven have an interest in whatever stands from the dust

questions will be asked

and you need to be sure

 

[Milton Platt]

Incorporeal or not, you might be surprised by these Scriptures (they actually state differently than what is taught in Christendom, namely, that the soul is immortal):

Ezekiel 18:4; Ezekiel 18:20. "The soul that sinneth, it will die."

It's quite plain.

Certainly. I have a familiarity with a group called Christadelphians which believe this very thing. It is one of those cases where Scripture actually matches reality. Unfortunately, there are many cases where it does not.

 

[Milton Platt]

Apparently you've never studied philosophy....

Nope.
But I don't see how philosophy provides objective evidence for a soul, or for immortality.

 

[Akivah]

But my soul is not composed of human qualities.

The body and the soul each have some human qualities.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Nope.
But I don't see how philosophy provides objective evidence for a soul, or for immortality.

Because this is a philosophy forum section....SMH dude argue about this in interfaith

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The body and the soul each have some human qualities.

What is the human quality of the soul?

 

[Milton Platt]

Nope.

Because this is a philosophy forum section....SMH dude argue about this in interfaith

LOL As Homer Simpson would have said "Doh!!!!" Sorry........

 

[Silverscale derg]

Those with trapped souls, therians as they're called get freed from the curse of the human body that kept them trapped for who knows how many years. Those with spirits of others inside don't remain human but those who are strictly human are typically human centered. They kill other species not for food but because they're "invasive"

 

[Milton Platt]

I beg to differ. Having lived for over 45 years with a person who is almost constantly in communication with those who have "passed", I would caution you not to jump to this conclusion to rapidly. Of course, like you, I would not have believed this statement unless and until I experienced it first hand.

Can you provide evidence that substantiates your claims about communication with dead people?
I don’t mean for you to recite instances of the purported communication, I mean exactly how do you objectively demonstrate the existence of that which you claim this person supposedly communicates with?

 

[Akivah]

What is the human quality of the soul?

Reasoning, thinking, emotions, sense of identity.

 

[BSM1]

Can you provide evidence that substantiates your claims about communication with dead people?
I don’t mean for you to recite instances of the purported communication, I mean exactly how do you objectively demonstrate the existence of that which you claim this person supposedly communicates with?

She knew things about perfect strangers that could have been imparted by the deceased loved ones. Plus we have a very clear video of the light orbs that filled her mother's room the night before she passed. There are many examples of her communicating with entities no longer on this plane of existence, but seeing it in person is very convincing. But this is not something she ever wanted to do, and it seems she has no choice in the matter. It usually turns out to be very emotional for all parties involved. Children coming through sometimes gets to her.

 

[Milton Platt]

She knew things about perfect strangers that could have been imparted by the deceased loved ones. Plus we have a very clear video of the light orbs that filled her mother's room the night before she passed. There are many examples of her communicating with entities no longer on this plane of existence, but seeing it in person is very convincing. But this is not something she ever wanted to do, and it seems she has no choice in the matter. It usually turns out to be very emotional for all parties involved. Children coming through sometimes gets to her.

That still does not identify the source. Thanks, tho!

 

[MonkeyFire]

Logically there are only so many things; so many colors, shapes, directions so on so forth... If the time and space have and will always be then we're eternal and groundhog Faith thinks its so. No true death or cessation unless you began.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Reasoning, thinking, emotions, sense of identity.

Ok you are on par with the philosophers