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Does science prove the existence of god?
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Zionic- Atoms are not perfect nor are they truely round.
Atoms are made of differing numbers of Electrons, Protons and Neutrons wich are in turn made of quarks and so on.
Atoms have varying sizes and shapes. Some are more square than others or triangualr.
The only perfectly round atom is [size=-1]the "bucky ball" Carbon 60 aka. buckminsterfullerene.
If anything atoms are as imperfect as everything elce in the univerce. Wich is a good thing, as atoms decay they make room the new.
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Atoms are made of differing numbers of Electrons, Protons and Neutrons wich are in turn made of quarks and so on.
Atoms have varying sizes and shapes. Some are more square than others or triangualr.
The only perfectly round atom is [size=-1]the "bucky ball" Carbon 60 aka. buckminsterfullerene.
If anything atoms are as imperfect as everything elce in the univerce. Wich is a good thing, as atoms decay they make room the new.
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atrueoriginall
New Member
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That wouldn't get you a D- in Sesame Street.atrueoriginall said:
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
He doesn't sound all that knowledgeable or intelligent to me. Rather, he sounds to me like someone that is pontificating to a younger mind, in the hopes that he will be seen as a sagacious, older man. A snake oil salesman, if you will.atrueoriginall said:
TVOR
atrueoriginall
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The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Atrueoriginall - it is you that may be in the wrong forum. This is the D-E-B-A-T-E forum - where your statements will almost always be challenged. Kind of like walking into a bar, then complaining that they serve alchohol. :bonk:atrueoriginall said:
Perhaps you would feel more secure prosteletyzing to others that share your belief system and therefore, will not question your statements. If you wish to prattle on, without being challenged, you should post your blather in the appropriate religions forum on this site. I would direct you to the appropriate forum on this site, but since you haven't bothered to indicate what religious belief system you adhere to, you'll have to find it yourself.
TVOR
atrueoriginall
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The Voice of Reason said:
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Heelllllooooo - that is exactly the opposite of what you told Deut to do. Which is it? Debate it, or listen to you prosteletyze without being allowed to challenge your statements?atrueoriginall said:
This baby will never end - one side refuses to acknowledge that science does not address the existence or non-existence of God. Someone will always insist on quoting some nutcase, psuedo-scientist that has not been peer reviewed as having spewed something about God out of his backside - and insisting that since a scientist said it, science proves the existence of God.atrueoriginall said:
Do you see the unending fallacy - after 27 (and counting) pages of debate?
TVOR
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Scott - I think the last paragraph of my post did get us back on topic - although, to be honest, I had to scroll back to the top of the page to remind myself what the original topic was.SOGFPP said:*** MOD POST ***
Let's try to reel this in..... back on topic (is there a topic?) please.
Scott
TVOR
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I probably said this before...
Science and God are not mutually exclusive. They can co-exist without any problems.
However, Science cannot prove God, just as God tries to stay away from talking about science. It's like trying to find the definition of an english word in a Chinese dictionary. Rots a ruck! It ain't gonna happen.
Science and God are not mutually exclusive. They can co-exist without any problems.
However, Science cannot prove God, just as God tries to stay away from talking about science. It's like trying to find the definition of an english word in a Chinese dictionary. Rots a ruck! It ain't gonna happen.
"The only thing that I do not undrstand in the universe that it has been understood''Enishtine said.
u can easly believe that there is a clear relationship between any science and the existing of GOD...
u can read my thread "Do not miss it" if u wish ..I think that it is very beneficial
u can easly believe that there is a clear relationship between any science and the existing of GOD...
u can read my thread "Do not miss it" if u wish ..I think that it is very beneficial
LUKAS
New Member
it's absolutely irrational to try to prove the existence of somethin that, by definition, is unmaterial.
no real christian would deny that. by the way, if you could prove the existence of god, automatically you would have to discard it as a god, since it would be material (that is, mutable) finit, non-all-knowing, etc., all the qualities a god is supposed to have.
I believe in god, but have given up trying to demonstrate that he can/n't exist, I just believe, that gives me peace. hope you feel the same by not believing.
love is the answer, that's what jesus (and other prophets or mesiahs)said
no real christian would deny that. by the way, if you could prove the existence of god, automatically you would have to discard it as a god, since it would be material (that is, mutable) finit, non-all-knowing, etc., all the qualities a god is supposed to have.
I believe in god, but have given up trying to demonstrate that he can/n't exist, I just believe, that gives me peace. hope you feel the same by not believing.
love is the answer, that's what jesus (and other prophets or mesiahs)said
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angellous_evangellous
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Science cannot prove God exists because God is untestable. The task of science is to establish how humanity can best relate to the natural world. It subject can only be nature or that which exists in the universe.
From the Christian POV, God is Creator. Nature is Creation, including humanity. We have developed means by which we can discover and classify everything that we know of in nature by means of science and philosophy. God, however, being divine, is not a part of nature and therefore untestable by means established to study nature (eg, science and philosophy - philosophy can only use in its models that which comes into their brains or comes from science). Therefore, if God exists He is either completely unknowable or He must reveal Himself. Since a Creator would be all-powerful, He would be able to interact with nature as He saw fit, but nature can only interact with Him as He empowers.
Theology answers theological questions:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11359&highlight=theological+questions
More on how God is untestable:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12190
From the Christian POV, God is Creator. Nature is Creation, including humanity. We have developed means by which we can discover and classify everything that we know of in nature by means of science and philosophy. God, however, being divine, is not a part of nature and therefore untestable by means established to study nature (eg, science and philosophy - philosophy can only use in its models that which comes into their brains or comes from science). Therefore, if God exists He is either completely unknowable or He must reveal Himself. Since a Creator would be all-powerful, He would be able to interact with nature as He saw fit, but nature can only interact with Him as He empowers.
Theology answers theological questions:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11359&highlight=theological+questions
More on how God is untestable:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12190
[PART QUOTE=angellous_evangellous]Science cannot prove God exists because God is untestable. The task of science is to establish how humanity can best relate to the natural world. It subject can only be nature or that which exists in the universe.
[/QUOTE][PART QUOTE=Net Doc]I probably said this before...
Science and God are not mutually exclusive. They can co-exist without any problems.
However, Science cannot prove God, just as God tries to stay away from talking about science. It's like trying to find the definition of an english word in a Chinese dictionary. Rots a ruck! It ain't gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't this tie in with the 'is God visible/invisible thread' ?
[/QUOTE][PART QUOTE=Net Doc]I probably said this before...
Science and God are not mutually exclusive. They can co-exist without any problems.
However, Science cannot prove God, just as God tries to stay away from talking about science. It's like trying to find the definition of an english word in a Chinese dictionary. Rots a ruck! It ain't gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't this tie in with the 'is God visible/invisible thread'
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angellous_evangellous
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Yes, I provided a link to the God is invisible thread.